National Politics šŸŸ£ Reform UK

Would you vote for Reform under Nigel Farage?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 20.1%

  • Maybe/Undecided

    Votes: 17 9.2%

  • No

    Votes: 130 70.7%
  • Total voters
    184
  • Poll closed .
Thanks for injecting some humanity into this thread. We are all a bit f**ked off at the moment, and it's hard to make sense of a lot of the s**t that's going down. Love to ALL.
 
SteMerritt said:
Surely a "native Londoner" simply means anyone who was born in London doesn't it?
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I'm just not sure that is true though as people are so mobile these days.

I spent my first 4 years in Scotland, next 14 in Oxfordshire, next 3 in Bristol, next 12 around London and the last 18 in Devon. I'm not sure where that makes me a native of, I would think it's down to people to decide where they feel that home is to them.
 
foghorn said:
Thanks for injecting some humanity into this thread. We are all a bit f**ked off at the moment, and it's hard to make sense of a lot of the s**t that's going down. Love to ALL.
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To be honest even though people occasionally cross the line or say stupid things this forum has a lot more humanity than other internet places like X.
I used to have a Twitter account back in the day and the comments beneath posts makes this place look like a Greenpeace forum
 
OtteryYellow said:
I'm just not sure that is true though as people are so mobile these days.

I spent my first 4 years in Scotland, next 14 in Oxfordshire, next 3 in Bristol, next 12 around London and the last 18 in Devon. I'm not sure where that makes me a native of, I would think it's down to people to decide where they feel that home is to them.
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I used to live all around the UK for work and I never felt at home anywhere but London. For me it's not just where your born but where your family history is.

I think I could move away one day but I'd never feel native to anywhere else.
 
Londox said:
I used to live all around the UK for work and I never felt at home anywhere but London. For me it's not just where your born but where your family history is.

I think I could move away one day but I'd never feel native to anywhere else.
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But like lots of people I have family history all over the place as well.

If someone moves to London from another part of the world, stays and contributes to society and thinks of themselves as a Londoner then I don't think anyone can say to them that they aren't.
 
I think the point is that feeling at home is a very different thing for different people for different reasons. My brother is Gay (also a yellow BTW) left home at 16 but never settled anywhere. Iā€™d suspect heā€™d say he felt more at home in a foreign country than he ever did here.
 
Marston Road Yellow said:
I think the point is that feeling at home is a very different thing for different people for different reasons. My brother is Gay (also a yellow BTW) left home at 16 but never settled anywhere. Iā€™d suspect heā€™d say he felt more at home in a foreign country than he ever did here.
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Depends which country of course, being gay is illegal in 64 countries and culturally difficult in many more.

The United Kingdom is often cited in the top 10 safest places for gay people in the world

asherfergusson.com

LGBTQ+ Travel Safety ā€“ 203 Best & Worst Countries Ranked (2022)

A study of the worldā€™s most dangerous countries for LGBTQ+ travel reveals the good, the average & the ugly.
asherfergusson.com asherfergusson.com
 
Marston Road Yellow said:
I think the point is that feeling at home is a very different thing for different people for different reasons. My brother is Gay (also a yellow BTW) left home at 16 but never settled anywhere. Iā€™d suspect heā€™d say he felt more at home in a foreign country than he ever did here.
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I hope that your brother finds somewhere they can truly settle. Unfortunately, we live in a world where far too many people worry about things that have nothing to do with them.

I'm sure some will see me as woke (a badge I'm happy to wear), but why should it matter to me who someone falls in love with, which God (if any) they believe in, what they wear, what they eat, how they identify or what they wish to be known as?

The world would be a much better place if we accepted everyone for who they were and not get angry about things that have nothing to do with anyone else.
 
Scotchegg said:
I hope that your brother finds somewhere they can truly settle. Unfortunately, we live in a world where far too many people worry about things that have nothing to do with them.

I'm sure some will see me as woke (a badge I'm happy to wear), but why should it matter to me who someone falls in love with, which God (if any) they believe in, what they wear, what they eat, how they identify or what they wish to be known as?

The world would be a much better place if we accepted everyone for who they were and not get angry about things that have nothing to do with anyone else.
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I broadly agree with that. I have two cousins who are both gay and one who has been happily married for fourteen years. I had an uncle who passed in 1986. Iā€™m told he was gay and am inclined to think that the proportion of gay people is much higher than figures suggest.
Unfortunately many in the church used to propagate the evils of home sexuality whilst getting involved with paedophila in the meantime.
This subject is Iā€™m sure a great leveller in OUFC threads. We all support Oxford United and politics etc are secondary.
 
Londox said:
Depends which country of course, being gay is illegal in 64 countries and culturally difficult in many more.

The United Kingdom is often cited in the top 10 safest places for gay people in the world

asherfergusson.com

LGBTQ+ Travel Safety ā€“ 203 Best & Worst Countries Ranked (2022)

A study of the worldā€™s most dangerous countries for LGBTQ+ travel reveals the good, the average & the ugly.
asherfergusson.com asherfergusson.com
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My point really wasnā€™t about that.
My point is in the past we have been unwelcoming to blacks, Irish gays, gypsies and so many groups that are not ā€œlike usā€.

It might be safe but itā€™s only 1/2 a story
 
Marked Ox said:
This amused me:

www.bbc.co.uk

Reform is not rescue charity for panicky Tory MPs, Farage says

He insists his party will not become "the Conservative Party 2.0" after Robert Jenrick's defection.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Followed by:

www.bbc.co.uk

Andrew Rosindell quits Tories and defects to Reform UK

His defection comes days after former shadow justice minister Robert Jenrick joined Reform.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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He's the one who has been absent from Parliament for age as he was under Police investigation wasn't he?

Anyway, Reform are considering a rebrand and relaunch with a slightly different logo. The two front runners are this:
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And this:
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Maybe Carpy can do us a poll and we can choose by referendum.

Happy Monday folksšŸ™‚
 
It will be interesting to see who Farage unveils tomorrow as the Labour Party defector.

Sounds like it wonā€™t be a sitting MP - my money is on Kate Hoey who sits in the Lords.
 
PottersRightBoot said:
Since the autumn. Every day.
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she really doesn't, she is embarrassingly unprepared for anything that isn't a scripted speech (and they are written by someone else) - Starmer has a ridiculously easy time at PMQs because she has zero ability to think on her feet and hit home some of the glaring own goals the government has served up (sorry for the mixed metaphor), the only interviews she can cope with are the easy serve ones of allies, not ones she is actually asked probing questions with follow ups. She is a caretaker leader in every possible way.
 
So weird how all these 'patriots' want to vote for a bunch of people who only have patriotism to their bank balances, who couldn't care less about how many immigrants come over as long as they get the no-hoper vote, will happily leave the UK to pay less tax, want to kill education so they can silence anyone who calls it out for what it is, and would quite happily let Trump and Putin fight over who gets Europe/rest of the UK.

In fact, they think so little of the British public - rightly so, I might add - they're even hiring people who made all the problems they're telling us we're in!!! You couldn't write it.
 
Burglar Bill said:
So weird how all these 'patriots' want to vote for a bunch of people who only have patriotism to their bank balances, who couldn't care less about how many immigrants come over as long as they get the no-hoper vote, will happily leave the UK to pay less tax, want to kill education so they can silence anyone who calls it out for what it is, and would quite happily let Trump and Putin fight over who gets Europe/rest of the UK.

In fact, they think so little of the British public - rightly so, I might add - they're even hiring people who made all the problems they're telling us we're in!!! You couldn't write it.
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Thank god there are true patriots like Keir Starmer and David Paulden out there.

What a load of paranoid drivel. The right wing equivalent of that post would be hounded.

If only we were all as intelligent as you Burglar Bill
 
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