National Politics ðŸŸ£ Reform UK

Would you vote for Reform under Nigel Farage?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 20.1%

  • Maybe/Undecided

    Votes: 17 9.2%

  • No

    Votes: 130 70.7%
  • Total voters
    184
  • Poll closed .
"Our latest survey underscores how negative many Britons are about the Labour government's performance – including many of those who voted for them in the 2024 election. While discontent is echoed particularly strongly among older demographics and supporters of the Conservatives and Reform UK, Labour will be worried that despite the start of a new year disappointment is actually increasing and is growing among their own 2024 voters the most.

As the government seeks to reassure the public that they are making progress on pressing issues such as the cost of living, immigration, the economy and the NHS, prevailing scepticism about government's ability to address these priorities now or in the longer-term future poses a real challenge.!


 
SteMerritt said:
Can you expand on that point please?
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I listened to a podcast recently which featured a genuine racist called Steve Laws.

This type of lunatic is marginalised in this country because Nigel Farage has a big party advocating for sensible immigration reform.

Desperate people would be drawn to the likes of Steve Laws if not for Nigel.
 
Essexyellows said:
"Our latest survey underscores how negative many Britons are about the Labour government's performance – including many of those who voted for them in the 2024 election. While discontent is echoed particularly strongly among older demographics and supporters of the Conservatives and Reform UK, Labour will be worried that despite the start of a new year disappointment is actually increasing and is growing among their own 2024 voters the most.

As the government seeks to reassure the public that they are making progress on pressing issues such as the cost of living, immigration, the economy and the NHS, prevailing scepticism about government's ability to address these priorities now or in the longer-term future poses a real challenge.!


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I reckon they're doing great and it's all just a media hit job making us uneducated fools think they're doing badly.
 
This forum is great comedy at times.
When reform lead the polls it's "polls mean nothing"
When they drop a few points
"The bubble has burst"

Whatever suits the left wing agenda I guess.
 
Londox said:
And yet, still top of the league.

Maybe doubling down and calling them racists and islamophobes will work. But it hasn't worked for years now...
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I'm old enough to remember Reform winning council elections on the back of promising to cut waste (care homes it turns out, who knew!) and freezing (as a minimum) council tax.

BBC News - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwynj51lp28o.amp
Staffordshire council tax set to rise despite Reform cuts pledge - BBC News

BBC News - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2485kdvplo.amp
Derbyshire County Council plans for maximum council tax rise - BBC News
 
The trouble is twofold
1) it’s just the tories in disguise
2) it’s reality tv politics where if Nigel is called a racist he just gets his head ( and his margin) down for a few weeks. He is learning from his orange pal to keep the cups with a ball moving so we don’t know what the hell comes next.

I get that people want change for the way things are working but I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would want to jump either back to the party that got us here ( the tories) or something that is a Frankenstein version of the tories that has such a warped view of the world.

I genuinely fear for the state of the planet if we keep following this right wing march, where police on the street with masks is ok, threatening annexation of a state is ok, kidnapping a national leader is ok.
 
Marston Road Yellow said:
The trouble is twofold
1) it’s just the tories in disguise
2) it’s reality tv politics where if Nigel is called a racist he just gets his head ( and his margin) down for a few weeks. He is learning from his orange pal to keep the cups with a ball moving so we don’t know what the hell comes next.

I get that people want change for the way things are working but I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would want to jump either back to the party that got us here ( the tories) or something that is a Frankenstein version of the tories that has such a warped view of the world.

I genuinely fear for the state of the planet if we keep following this right wing march, where police on the street with masks is ok, threatening annexation of a state is ok, kidnapping a national leader is ok.
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Most folk want "something" in the middle with a bit of right for some things and a bit of left for others.

Political parties promise much to lure that middle ground their way then let them down.

So I would like "right" for something like illegal arrivals and "left" for nationalising essential services.

And the easiest way to stop either extremes would be to have proper PR. :)
 
Essexyellows said:
Most folk want "something" in the middle with a bit of right for some things and a bit of left for others.

Political parties promise much to lure that middle ground their way then let them down.

So I would like "right" for something like illegal arrivals and "left" for nationalising essential services.

And the easiest way to stop either extremes would be to have proper PR. :)
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It would actually be awesome to me if the voting numbers that Sheik put up were actually reflected in the number of seats at the next election.

Five parties, all with between 14-24% of the MPs. Policy would actually have to be determined through debate and compromise.

But FPTP will probably distort it horribly.......sigh.
 
tonyw said:
It would actually be awesome to me if the voting numbers that Sheik put up were actually reflected in the number of seats at the next election.

Five parties, all with between 14-24% of the MPs. Policy would actually have to be determined through debate and compromise.

But FPTP will probably distort it horribly.......sigh.
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And more of the electorate would feel both represented and that its worth voting!

I`ll be carbon before it happens. :ROFLMAO:
 
Essexyellows said:
Most folk want "something" in the middle with a bit of right for some things and a bit of left for others.

Political parties promise much to lure that middle ground their way then let them down.

So I would like "right" for something like illegal arrivals and "left" for nationalising essential services.

And the easiest way to stop either extremes would be to have proper PR. :)
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I think most people want to live comfortably in peace, and in a world where politicians don’t think they’re rock stars.

I wouldn’t care too much if that were a fair left or a fair right government.

I’m sick of these hateful politicians telling me that they’re going to get rid of this and that without understanding or preparing for the consequences.
 
Essexyellows said:
Most folk want "something" in the middle with a bit of right for some things and a bit of left for others.

Political parties promise much to lure that middle ground their way then let them down.

So I would like "right" for something like illegal arrivals and "left" for nationalising essential services.

And the easiest way to stop either extremes would be to have proper PR. :)
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Rather than something in the middle, you want a proportionally represented coalition that has to negotiate policy. FPTP drives us towards parties that try to monopolise the middle ground and are thus conflicted. PR FTW. (That was furious agreement BTW).
 
Marston Road Yellow said:
I think most people want to live comfortably in peace, and in a world where politicians don’t think they’re rock stars.

I wouldn’t care too much if that were a fair left or a fair right government.

I’m sick of these hateful politicians telling me that they’re going to get rid of this and that without understanding or preparing for the consequences.
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"and in a world where politicians don’t think they’re rock stars." - problem is that is what quite a few vote for - they want their politicians to have "personality" rather than substance.
 
Just checked his wickepaedia page. He doesn’t sound to be a particularly nice individual either.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
 
My prediction is that Reform will slowly increase their high profile members but this will see their core vote reduce rather than grow.

Reform's support has grown on the back of people being disillusioned by politics and wanting something different. Instead they are getting failed Tories who were complicit in everything that has gone wrong in recent years. They also had support from those with views much further to the right who are already questioning why Reform are putting a Muslim woman up for London Mayor or bringing in the man that opened Immigrant Hotels by the 100's.

Reform are hoping that going more mainstream and Tory 2.0 will help unite the right vote, but I think that it will split it even further. And if this happens, we will likely see more infighting from those who have jumped ship. There's no way that Jenrick is coming to be a bit part back bencher. He will be expecting a senior role, probably Chancellor and Deputy Leader. But Zia Yusuf is also furiously ambitious and will be expecting the same. As will Nadhim Zahawi. And none of these look like team players who will unite around each other. In fact, Farage is the worst. It is his party and I can't see him allowing anyone else to get the limelight which is why he soon got rid of Rupert Lowe and Ben Habib.

All of this has the potential to mirror the dying days of the last Tory government with people briefing against each other and snidey little power plays. 3 years until the next election is a long time to keep all of these narcissists playing nicely.

If Starmer goes and Labour get a proper leader, and Badenoch continues to grow into her role as a credible opposition, then I can see Reform slipping back into 3rd place in many polls. Still a voice in British politics, but sitting alongside the Lib Dems and the Greens rather than running the show come the next election.

Everything up until that point in regards to opinion polls and council elections are largely irrelevant.
 
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Scotchegg said:
My prediction is that Reform will slowly increase their high profile members but this will see their core vote reduce rather than grow.

Reform's support has grown on the back of people being disillusioned by politics and wanting something different. Instead they are getting failed Tories who were complicit in everything that has gone wrong in recent years. They also had support from those with views much further to the right who are already questioning why Reform are putting a Muslim woman up for London Mayor or bringing in the man that opened Immigrant Hotels by the 100's.

Reform are hoping that going more mainstream and Tory 2.0 will help unite the right vote, but I think that it will split it even further. And if this happens, we will likely see more infighting from those who have jumped ship. There's no way that Jenrick is coming to be a bit part back bencher. He will be expecting a senior role, probably Chancellor and Deputy Leader. But Zia Yusuf is also furiously ambitious and will be expecting the same. As will Nadhim Zahawi. And none of these look like team players who will unite around each other. In fact, Farage is the worst. It is his party and I can't see him allowing anyone else to get the limelight which is why he soon got rid of Rupert Lowe and Ben Habib.

All of this has the potential to mirror the dying days of the last Tory government with people briefing against each other and snidey little power plays. 3 years until the next election is a long time to keep all of these narcissists playing nicely.

If Starmer goes and Labour get a proper leader, and Badenoch continues to grow into her role as a credible opposition, then I can see Reform slipping back into 3rd place in many polls. Still a voice in British politics, but sitting alongside the Lib Dems and the Greens rather than running the show come the next election.

Everything up until that point in regards to opinion polls and council elections are largely irrelevant.
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"Badenoch continues to grow into her role as a credible opposition" - at what stage has any of her behaviour suggested that is happening?
 
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OUFCGav said:
"Badenoch continues to grow into her role as a credible opposition" - at what stage has any of her behaviour suggested that is happening?
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I'm no fan and was suggesting recently that the Tories would be dead under her leadership. But I do think that since the party conferences she has begun to hold Starmer to account in PMQ's and to have a more consistent message. He recent proposal to ban under 16's from social media is a good idea and was put out without the sort of gaffes that have usually followed any previous announcement.

If she can unite the Tories and cut out some of the nonsense that has exists for years, then its feasible that they could become a credible alternative to others. However, I accept that the bar for credibility has been set very low these days.
 
Matty Greens Left Boot said:
Reform and UKIP killed the BNP thankfully.
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I'd suggest there are still similar groups about, and Farage and Reform haven't ended it. What they have done, however, is given people who are strongly Right, for want of a better phrase - more than moderate and less than extreme - a place to go that is further Right than the Tories, but not extreme like the BNP.
 
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