National Politics 🟣 Reform UK

[boogaloo]

I've just created a topic for someone who we can probably all agree on is getting a lot of headlines these days, and should probably have their own dedicated thread rather than bolted on to the Kier Starmer/Donald Trump threads.

So what are your opinions. Are you are fan of us? Can he win in 2029? And if he does win, will he be good for the country?

I will give my views shortly.

 

[Salaghaf]

Whether or not he’ll be good or bad is debatable. One thing is for sure, he’ll definitely be the next PM with a thumping big majority behind him.
Hopefully he can start to reverse the shocking decline of our Country before it’s too late….. only time will tell.

 

[The Voice Of Reason]

Some stuff I agree with like migration , freedom of speech like the writer that was arrested, but also think he goes to far.
Great speaker and prob unless the other parties stop him will be or close to pm

 

[OUFCGav]

Some stuff I agree with like migration , freedom of speech like the writer that was arrested, but also think he goes to far.
Great speaker and prob unless the other parties stop him will be or close to pm

"freedom of speech" to his terms. people critical of him have been kicked out of his party, and journalists have been banned from Reform events.

 

[Twiggy85]

The worlds biggest charlatan.

 

[Marked Ox]

A master of grifting.

 

[The Voice Of Reason]

No I

"freedom of speech" to his terms. people critical of him have been kicked out of his party, and journalists have been banned from Reform events.

No I mean the writer that was arrested for free speech re trans he spoke up on it and other bits of free speech we can no longer say what we want we have to be mindful of everyone, sorry if I have a view it's my view - you don't have to agree- we can debate or argue - and it's free speech the fact someone took offence to this guys words and complained to the police and 5 armed officers met him off a plane sorry think the police have other stuff to do

 

[Swinny]

A "man of the people" who will make life 10x worse for those very same people if they give him any sort of power...he's the worst kind of opportunist who will rip up the NHS in a heartbeat for a little profit.

I've no time for any of the main parties these days...but I'd have any of them over something led by Farage.

 

[OUFCGav]

No I

No I mean the writer that was arrested for free speech re trans he spoke up on it and other bits of free speech we can no longer say what we want we have to be mindful of everyone, sorry if I have a view it's my view - you don't have to agree- we can debate or argue - and it's free speech the fact someone took offence to this guys words and complained to the police and 5 armed officers met him off a plane sorry think the police have other stuff to do

Not saying that is not poorly worded law from the Tories. But to claim it is because he is his deep felt free speech beliefs is not exactly true (same with Musk).

 

[lodeyellow]

This is well worth a watch. If only he got more of this sort of treatment at home.

 

[Scotchegg]

You don't need to dig too deep within Reform to find some very unpleasant individuals and nut jobs. So its one thing having high numbers in the opinion polls but another to find 600+ individuals who will win under the scrutiny of a general election.

However, I do think that they will see gains at the next election, predominantly at the expense of Tories. And Labour will lose support to the Lib Dems and Greens who maybe lent their votes last year to get rid of the Tories.

So we will likely see a hung parliament. It will then depend on numbers whether we have a right or left coalition, but I suspect that Lab/Lib will be more likely that Tory/Reform simply due to the infighting on the right.

 

[Village-Yellow]

As always, it is very easy to say what you want when in opposition but once things become a reality it is much harder to implement your ideas.

Like the way he speaks, no nonsense approach.

He will most definitely be putting the wind up Labour and Conservatives, who, in my opinion have shown themselves both to be clueless.

Would he actually get in though, and would he be good for the country? Well, it would certainly be a breath of fresh air but whether he could stop the decline, I really don't know.

Given what we have had and what we currently have, I would not be too concerned either way if he got in. It'll still be the same s**t, different day.

 

[Vaulkswagon]

Owned by the oil companies and big tech. Hitting down on whichever minority group is easiest to abuse, using fear to rally the disenfranchised behind him.

Rights stripped away in the name of freedom. Freedom to hate as long as it leads to continued power for him.

The same play book as Trump.

Disingenuous, dangerous and on nobodies side except the mega rich.

As said above.. what we have isn't great, but 'MAKE BRITAIN GREAT AGAIN' is as big a con as Brexit.

 

[EastSussexOx]

Britain's answer to Trump. A corporate stooge, with some shady hedge fund backers and some shocking policies - privatisation of NHS, extension of Austerity while giving tax cuts to his billionaire backers. - Reform's manifesto offered tax relief on private schools and private healthcare, along with tax breaks for private landlords and slashing of corporation tax for big business. The Institute of Fiscal Studies suggested Reform’s proposed spending cuts would total £150 billion, warning this would “require substantial cuts to the quantity or quality of public services”. The reality of what a Reform government might mean for economic policy was best demonstrated by Farage’s praise for the budget announcements of the 49-day government of Liz Truss in 2022, which he hailed as “the best Conservative budget since 1986” just before it triggered a major financial crisis prompting her removal as prime minster. The Institute of Fiscal Studies suggested Reform’s proposed spending cuts would total £150 billion, warning this would “require substantial cuts to the quantity or quality of public services”. The reality of what a Reform government might mean for economic policy was best demonstrated by Farage’s praise for the budget announcements of the 49-day government of Liz Truss in 2022, which he hailed as “the best Conservative budget since 1986” just before it triggered a major financial crisis prompting her removal as prime minster., Hostile to providing support for vulnerable and long term ill with opportunistic attacks on those with learning difficulties. A long time admirer of Putin, a climate change denier. Basically unless you are a multi- millionaire he is going to make you worse off.

 

[Grumpy Git]

He’s being ripped apart in America

 

[Stranger]

He’s being ripped apart in America

Sadly not literally

 

[tim lane]

I've just created a topic for someone who we can probably all agree on is getting a lot of headlines these days, and should probably have their own dedicated thread rather than bolted on to the Kier Starmer/Donald Trump threads.

So what are your opinions. Are you are fan of us? Can he win in 2029? And if he does win, will he be good for the country?

I will give my views shortly.

Hang on! This is a football forum. Why on earth should there be any discussion about Nigel Farage on here? There are innumerable other places where you can engage in dialogue about him, should you wish to do so.

 

[lodeyellow]

As always, it is very easy to say what you want when in opposition but once things become a reality it is much harder to implement your ideas.

Like the way he speaks, no nonsense approach.

He will most definitely be putting the wind up Labour and Conservatives, who, in my opinion have shown themselves both to be clueless.

Would he actually get in though, and would he be good for the country? Well, it would certainly be a breath of fresh air but whether he could stop the decline, I really don't know.

Given what we have had and what we currently have, I would not be too concerned either way if he got in. It'll still be the same s**t, different day.

You’d probably quite fancy going for a pint with him as well.

I can’t see how you can admire him for his no-nonsense approach when virtually everything he utters is a load of nonsense and doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

Anyone with a shred of common sense can see that he’d be an absolute disaster for this country. He has been already in fact.

 

[Steve Gilbert]

It shows the state of politics in this country when Farage and the reform party are talked seriously about winning an election.

 

[Village-Yellow]

You’d probably quite fancy going for a pint with him as well.

I can’t see how you can admire him for his no-nonsense approach when virtually everything he utters is a load of nonsense and doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

Anyone with a shred of common sense can see that he’d be an absolute disaster for this country. He has been already in fact.

Like I also said, same s**t, different day.

I didn't actually say I liked what he said or that I admire him. But, he is a good orator and Labour/Conservatives etc need to step up and start making a difference.

 

[Essexyellows]

He is 100% Marmite and is a royal pain in the ass to the "establishment" but is he PM material? IMHO - No.

Reform are polling at 28%, which is more than the Tories and Labour combined.

If they were to play Zia Yusuf upfront that would be different gravy.

Do we need some Trump-esque solutions, like DOGE? YES!

Anyone in the public sector will have seen obscene waste........ can Reform deliver that? Unlikely - there would be too many hurdles to overcome.

Now I may have right leaning views and some of Reforms policies are very appealing, but I can say the same for the Greens and tiny bits of Labour.

Would I vote for them? Based on the current local county council issues - No. Could they do it nationally? Doubt it.

Our local MP (Tory) has certainly upped his game towards re-establishing the hard working local MP image and is getting things done for Constituents, as is Shivani Rajah in East Leicester.

Farage will likely get elected by the folk painting roundabouts............

 

[Essexyellows]

Hang on! This is a football forum. Why on earth should there be any discussion about Nigel Farage on here? There are innumerable other places where you can engage in dialogue about him, should you wish to do so.

Ignore the topic in the "News" section then. We don`t just discuss football which is what makes a community.............

 

[MadridYellow]

If only the UK had one other politician willing to stand up to him and expose all the nonsense he talks like the US congress rep did yesterday, I think people would see what a slimy grifter he is and he’d disappear in obscurity as quickly as he sprouted out the ground. Sadly no one exists strong enough to do that, so he’s gonna be around for a while

 

[Steve Gilbert]

Now I may have right leaning views

Do you?! You kept that quiet

 

[ZeroTheHero]

As always, it is very easy to say what you want when in opposition but once things become a reality it is much harder to implement your ideas.

Like the way he speaks, no nonsense approach.

He will most definitely be putting the wind up Labour and Conservatives, who, in my opinion have shown themselves both to be clueless.

Would he actually get in though, and would he be good for the country? Well, it would certainly be a breath of fresh air but whether he could stop the decline, I really don't know.

Given what we have had and what we currently have, I would not be too concerned either way if he got in. It'll still be the same s**t, different day.

He talks absolute bollox. It's the populist, Trump-style lying through your teeth playbook.

It is unfortunately what happens when the mainstream parties are pretty poor (and I agree that they are), there is always someone who will hope to take an opportunity for power, who will say what some people want to hear, appeal to their xenophobia and claim they are a true patriot with all the answers. Farage is no more a 'man of the people' than Starmer, Sunak or any of the rest of them.

If he got in, life would be worse for everyone who wasn't white, male and right-wing. Far from being a breath of fresh air, people would soon realise (a la Trump) that not all wannabe dictators wear jackboots, some of them have bought suits. I opposed the National Front back in the day - this is the same lot with a PR company, except this lot would also decimate the NHS, social services and the benefits system.

I despise the Tories, but would willingly vote for them in my constituency if I thought it would keep Reform out.

 

[Lost Marbles]

I don't really understand why anyone takes Farage seriously. He's an ex-banker with a German wife and children with German passports. He pays most of his tax in Belgium. He set up Reform as a company rather than a political party. He has lied multiple times about very important things.

People need to realise that only 4% of the people arriving in the country are doing so by "irregular" means - ie. what is often called illegal immigration. The rest are arriving because the government knows that the economy would fall apart without a steady stream of working age people to fill all the jobs. I would argue that leaving the EU has actually made the issue worse because free movement meant that economic migrants were mainly coming from Eastern Europe and could assimilate into UK culture more quickly than some of the current arrivals.

 

[Essexyellows]

He talks absolute bollox. It's the populist, Trump-style lying through your teeth playbook.

It is unfortunately what happens when the mainstream parties are pretty poor (and I agree that they are), there is always someone who will hope to take an opportunity for power, who will say what some people want to hear, appeal to their xenophobia and claim they are a true patriot with all the answers. Farage is no more a 'man of the people' than Starmer, Sunak or any of the rest of them.

If he got in, life would be worse for everyone who wasn't white, male and right-wing. Far from being a breath of fresh air, people would soon realise (a la Trump) that not all wannabe dictators wear jackboots, some of them have bought suits. I opposed the National Front back in the day - this is the same lot with a PR company, except this lot would also decimate the NHS, social services and the benefits system.

I despise the Tories, but would willingly vote for them in my constituency if I thought it would keep Reform out.

OK you sold it to me.

Seriously though there is nothing, as yet, convincing me to swap from voting Tory, but vote I will and my vote is still available to be fought for.

 

[Swaby39]

It shows the state of politics in this country when Farage and the reform party are talked seriously about winning an election.

It’s why I don’t vote. It’s become a high-stakes version of the X-Factor where basically they’re all s**t, but if they’re controversial enough they’ll advance. I can’t bring myself to give a vote to a dated system that is light years off anything working in the modern world. This will go on until the system at the top is reshaped and a new perspective/impetus brought in externally, in my opinion.

Farage is just there to capture an audience that is exhausted of being financially stretched, lied to, seeing more crime on their doorstep, seeing less bang for their buck for going to work, less reward for having ambition to reach high paid jobs, or indeed struggle to heat your house despite being prepared to do low income work, living in the stranglehold of landlords due to being priced out of buying a house, transport unaffordable and on the list goes.

Farage won’t change any of that quickly if at all, but the alternative is more of the same which I think is terrifying people now, not just slightly annoying them. He will make big, controversial decisions but some of it I’d like to see - the NHS, for example, needs starting over. Other things will be wild and unsavoury but again, people are sick and tired of the holistic approach yielding a decline in quality of life anywhere below the millionaires and billionaires, and he will get votes for simply being there while labour and the tories self destruct in front of us.

But quite honestly, I’d do away with politicians all together because on a human level and a business level, none of them have a clue. We need people making decisions that have far more qualified backgrounds in the real world, making courageous decisions and do the necessary things in ways that isn’t sold on popularity, but results. Results are paramount now and for the foreseeable.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

He is 100% Marmite and is a royal pain in the ass to the "establishment" but is he PM material? IMHO - No.

Reform are polling at 28%, which is more than the Tories and Labour combined.

If they were to play Zia Yusuf upfront that would be different gravy.

Do we need some Trump-esque solutions, like DOGE? YES!

Anyone in the public sector will have seen obscene waste........ can Reform deliver that? Unlikely - there would be too many hurdles to overcome.

Now I may have right leaning views and some of Reforms policies are very appealing, but I can say the same for the Greens and tiny bits of Labour.

Would I vote for them? Based on the current local county council issues - No. Could they do it nationally? Doubt it.

Our local MP (Tory) has certainly upped his game towards re-establishing the hard working local MP image and is getting things done for Constituents, as is Shivani Rajah in East Leicester.

Farage will likely get elected by the folk painting roundabouts............

That's why he's got them out practising doing crosses

 

[Carpy]

The country needs a massive shake up to reverse the stagnation and decline that has become the norm, we waste too much and invest too little. Is Farage the answer? Not sure about that, but it’s clear that Labour and the Tories aren’t, so I can see why he’s doing well in the polls.