Potential New Ground

[LondonRoader]

Of course I'm not agreeing with you, because no statement was ever made!! Zaki spoke about balancing the books, offsetting some of the operating costs etc. That has absolutely nothing to do with "keeping the club afloat" as you said.

So yes, yet again, you are mistaken!

So balancing the books and paying bills is not keeping the club afloat, ok then.

And you have tried to carefully avoid the issue I raised about all the 10’s of millions need to buy a new stadium and stay in the championship to help get in 5000 extra fans who can’t be bothered at the moment.

 

[Scotchegg]

So balancing the books and paying bills is not keeping the club afloat, ok then.

And you have tried to carefully avoid the issue I raised about all the 10’s of millions need to buy a new stadium and stay in the championship to help get in 5000 extra fans who can’t be bothered at the moment.

Your statement (that you entirely made up!) was that the club had to sell players to stay afloat. That is clearly horseshit! There are many legitimate issues regarding the January transfer window, or whether Robinson feels supported, or the long term plans for the club, so please don't make things up for the sake of it or it further devalues your point!

As for your point about financing time in the Championship, that very much depends our ambitions. If we want to compete for promotion then the budget will need to increase significantly, but it is possible to manage on a lower budget which will be supplemented by tv rights, improved sponsorship deals and hopefully a business model that will sell championship players at a much high value than we have from league 1.

The money for the stadium will come from the very wealthy members of our board, and will be covered by future earnings from all the additional revenue streams that come from it. A hotel complex alone would bring in millions.

But I guess you'll keep your head buried in the sand and fail to understand between operating budgets and FFP, and investing in stadium infrastructure.

 

[LondonRoader]

Your statement (that you entirely made up!) was that the club had to sell players to stay afloat. That is clearly horseshit! There are many legitimate issues regarding the January transfer window, or whether Robinson feels supported, or the long term plans for the club, so please don't make things up for the sake of it or it further devalues your point!

As for your point about financing time in the Championship, that very much depends our ambitions. If we want to compete for promotion then the budget will need to increase significantly, but it is possible to manage on a lower budget which will be supplemented by tv rights, improved sponsorship deals and hopefully a business model that will sell championship players at a much high value than we have from league 1.

The money for the stadium will come from the very wealthy members of our board, and will be covered by future earnings from all the additional revenue streams that come from it. A hotel complex alone would bring in millions.

But I guess you'll keep your head buried in the sand and fail to understand between operating budgets and FFP, and investing in stadium infrastructure.

Your statement (that you entirely made up!) was that the club had to sell players to stay afloat. That is clearly horseshit! There are many legitimate issues regarding the January transfer window, or whether Robinson feels supported, or the long term plans for the club, so please don't make things up for the sake of it or it further devalues your point!

As for your point about financing time in the Championship, that very much depends our ambitions. If we want to compete for promotion then the budget will need to increase significantly, but it is possible to manage on a lower budget which will be supplemented by tv rights, improved sponsorship deals and hopefully a business model that will sell championship players at a much high value than we have from league 1.

The money for the stadium will come from the very wealthy members of our board, and will be covered by future earnings from all the additional revenue streams that come from it. A hotel complex alone would bring in millions.

But I guess you'll keep your head buried in the sand and fail to understand between operating budgets and FFP, and investing in stadium infrastructure.

I disagree, when an owner tells fans that the sale of players are to help balance the books that in my opinion is cash flow.
All the other stuff is your opinion I suppose, as no shred of evidence anywhere to back up your dream scenario.

 

[Scotchegg]

I disagree, when an owner tells fans that the sale of players are to help balance the books that in my opinion is cash flow.

And your opinion is, once again, wrong.

 

[LondonRoader]

And your opinion is, once again, wrong.

If that’s your opinion, ok.

 

[MJB]

 

[werthersoriginal]

Jesus this is dull. Why not stop the thread till there is at least a strong rumour?

 

[Essexyellows]

We. Are.Not. Moving.

Sorting out the lease will come a long time before any new "Theatre of Dreams (South)".

If, in the intervening years, the football club does its normal "yo-yo" the desire for investing £XX million will wane greatly.

The only caveat to that is if any of the board are wealthy enough to take a punt on putting down £40 mill with the chance of ending up like Stadium MK, which is pretty much reliant on the hotel to keep it profitable. Would "Water Eaton Heights" generate enough income??

 

[Foley]

The only caveat to that is if any of the board are wealthy enough to take a punt on putting down £40 mill with the chance of ending up like Stadium MK, which is pretty much reliant on the hotel to keep it profitable. Would "Water Eaton Heights" generate enough income??

Pretty big caveat. Let's hope that you are wrong as staying under the same deal with Kassam for a further 25 years would be disasterous for the club medium term in my view.
Oh and Hotels at Water Eaton? Yes it probably would generate enough profit ( especially if the Council went in with making the Stsdoum a Community asset)

 

[LondonRoader]

Pretty big caveat. Let's hope that you are wrong as staying under the same deal with Kassam for a further 25 years would be disasterous for the club medium term in my view.
Oh and Hotels at Water Eaton? Yes it probably would generate enough profit ( especially if the Council went in with making the Stsdoum a Community asset)

Well if we do stay, don't you think the people who broker and sign any new deal will know what's good for them, we can all give opinions on what we think is right or wrong but the reality is, no one knows what the current owners future plans are and how they see our progression as a club going forward.

 

[Essexyellows]

Pretty big caveat. Let's hope that you are wrong as staying under the same deal with Kassam for a further 25 years would be disasterous for the club medium term in my view.
Oh and Hotels at Water Eaton? Yes it probably would generate enough profit ( especially if the Council went in with making the Stsdoum a Community asset)

One would hope that our board don`t "rollover" the current deal for short term pain, long term gain.

Still think something curved ball will come out of this, like buying the stadium but not the land (where the value is).

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Well if we do stay, don't you think the people who broker and sign any new deal will know what's good for them...

You would hope. But there would be little they could do. By the time we get even close to needing to re-sign, Kassam will know that the club has absolutely no real alternative - that leaves whoever owns the club at the time with very little bargaining power. IIRC the 'default' deal is that we sign up for another 25 years on the same terms. The only way that would change is if it were in the interests of Uncle K - not the club.

 

[horseman]

Well if we do stay, don't you think the people who broker and sign any new deal will know what's good for them, we can all give opinions on what we think is right or wrong but the reality is, no one knows what the current owners future plans are and how they see our progression as a club going forward.

Therein lay the problem, it can easily be a case of not what we can do for Oxford United but what Oxford United can do for you.
it should not be forgotten that the next move whatever that maybe will be signed off by the very people currently in charge.
We have not had the slightest indication of any plan for the club going forward, they could indeed have a big vision for Oxford United or they may look to move on once the retail outlets are ready or indeed if it appears there's too many obstacles in the way just walk away.

 

[Fanatica]

a football pitch is 1.32 acres so the stadium alone is approx 7 acres ....add some of the parking and youre still waaaaaay out

I said the site. Not just the stadium & some of the parking.

 

[TL@69]

All efforts to purchase existing stadium were exhausted late last year.
Negotiations regarding the new stadium only then began in earnest.
These things take time.

 

[horseman]

All efforts to purchase existing stadium were exhausted late last year.
Negotiations regarding the new stadium only then began in earnest.
These things take time.

Tick Tock Tick Tock

 

[Manorlounger]

The only way that OUFC could get anything better from Firoka would be to persuade them to tear up the existing licence to utilise the stadium and start fresh. Otherwise the licence rolls over onto another 25 year period on the same escalating terms with ever increasing costs.
Can anyone provide any reason why FK should agree to anything other than this? You can kiss his backside all day long, he has no need to budge.
Lennagan tried, Eales tried, Tiger has now tried, we even had a consortium of OxVox and Donald trying, no-one has had any joy.

 

[bazzer9461]

Pretty big caveat. Let's hope that you are wrong as staying under the same deal with Kassam for a further 25 years would be disasterous for the club medium term in my view.
Oh and Hotels at Water Eaton? Yes it probably would generate enough profit ( especially if the Council went in with making the Stsdoum a Community asset)

But water Eaton depends on the land being sold and made available

 

[Yellow River]

All efforts to purchase existing stadium were exhausted late last year.
Negotiations regarding the new stadium only then began in earnest.
These things take time.

Interesting if true, but hardly surprising.

In reality the club have 4 options open to them.

1. Re-new 25 year lease with or without alterations to lease conditions.
2. Identify site, obtain planning permission & build new stadium.
3. Buy current stadium with or without adjoining land.
4. Run down current lease and ground share with WWFC/MKD.

Option 4 would be a slow death for the club. Must never be allowed to happen.
Option 3 If you are correct, not going to happen. Kassam also refused to sell to Eales, so hardly surprising.

That leaves options 1 & 2.

Option 2 the most desirable.
Option 1 the most likely.

 

[bazzer9461]

Interesting if true, but hardly surprising.

In reality the club have 4 options open to them.

1. Re-new 25 year lease with or without alterations to lease conditions.
2. Identify site, obtain planning permission & build new stadium.
3. Buy current stadium with or without adjoining land.
4. Run down current lease and ground share with WWFC/MKD.

Option 4 would be a slow death for the club. Must never be allowed to happen.
Option 3 If you are correct, not going to happen. Kassam also refused to sell to Eales, so hardly surprising.

That leaves options 1 & 2.

Option 2 the most desirable.
Option 1 the most likely.

Dd Eales try to buy the stadium ( which I believe is 13 million) as Eales said he couldn’t afford for us to be in the Championship.

A new ground gaining planning permission and build will take 3/4 years, the cost would far outweigh the buying of the Kastad.

a new 25 year lease with attitudes towards our tenure from both parties could see us also fold.

no chance would OUFC ground share with Wyscumb/MKD.

So the only real option would be to buy the ground and redevelop unless we get the investment and buy the whole ie Ozone the ground and the holiday inn express or whatever it’s called.

But if the spuds can have a billion pound ground built with all the issues that went with it with help from the FA towards finance.......then why can’t we speak to the FA with help toward the building of a new ground or the redevelopment of the Kastad once we’ve bought the stadium.