Kick-ins to speed up throw-ins, no thanks. Just give the fourth official a stop watch and if the team take more than 15 seconds to take it, then give the throw-in to the opposition.
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General Possible introduction of kick-ins discussed by football's lawmakers Ifab
- Thread starter Grumpy Git
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Kick-ins to speed up throw-ins, no thanks. Just give the fourth official a stop watch and if the team take more than 15 seconds to take it, then give the throw-in to the opposition.
werthersoriginal
Level: James Constable
(280 Apps, 106 Gls)
I dont really see why that would speed things up, teams take long enough over free kicks. It would lessen the head tennis and aerial challenges though, which could endear it to some.
Essexyellows
Level: Cameron Brannagan
(311 Apps, 57 Gls)
No, no and no.
Should get a timekeeper before that, as used in Rugby and the ref can stop the clock for injuries etc.
Should get a timekeeper before that, as used in Rugby and the ref can stop the clock for injuries etc.
Just stop the clock when the ball goes dead. Time wasting would immediately become irrelevant.
Marked Ox
Level: Mickey Lewis
(351 Apps, 7 Gls)
The biggest idiocy in that report is the lawmakers not approving the use of temporary substitutions to allow Head/Concussion assessments. It works perfectly well in other sports and this further confirms IFAB are ridiculous and potentially causing danger to players.
We’re always crap at throw ins anyway so let’s scrap ‘em.
You would still get Stevenage style games, to stop momentum.
Marked Ox
Level: Mickey Lewis
(351 Apps, 7 Gls)
Fun fact I discovered from reading about this today - between 1863 (when the throw in law was first codified) and 1877 (when everyone finally agreed on new laws), most versions of the laws of the game had the throw-in being awarded to the first team to touch the ball after it left the field of play (as opposed to against the last team to touch it before). It then had to be thrown in perpendicular to the sideline, like a rugby lineout.
Would make the game more interesting and interactive for the fans! Although clubs would probably want to start employing 7 ft bruisers, rather than schoolkids, as ball boys!
Would make the game more interesting and interactive for the fans! Although clubs would probably want to start employing 7 ft bruisers, rather than schoolkids, as ball boys!
How will kick ins increase speed of throw ins?
But games would last a lot longer in terms of time. The clock currently continues to tick when ‘keepers are dawdling over a goal kick or a player is getting treatment. If you stopped the clock at every stoppage, you’d have a much longer game on your hands.
Proposals have been mooted for 60 minute games with the stop clock in place. Their logic goes that since most matches see the ball in play for c.58 minutes, a 60 minute game is close to the real thing but with more accurate time keeping.
My argument is why bother changing it? Dark arts methods for running down the clock are part and parcel of football. You love it when your team is doing it and tear your hair out when it’s done against you.
I’m happy with the game continuing to innovate but this seems like a needless step to me. Let’s keep time keeping open to interpretation. Football has operated with two halves of 45 minutes each and that’s fine with me.
Wycombe games would cover two days under the stop clock method
It’s not entirely accurate to use current ball in play times as a guide though as at the moment teams purposely waste time with the ball dead, knowing that it won’t all be added on. If a stop clock method was introduced that would stop as it would be pointless, so teams would get on with it. Games would still last longer though that’s for sure.
Technically though isn’t the added time at each half meant to be making up for any time wasting or dead ball time? If refs actually added it on accurately rather than just always adding 0-2 minutes in the first half then 3-6 mins in the second half depending on how close the game is, maybe this wouldn’t even be an issue…
Technically though isn’t the added time at each half meant to be making up for any time wasting or dead ball time? If refs actually added it on accurately rather than just always adding 0-2 minutes in the first half then 3-6 mins in the second half depending on how close the game is, maybe this wouldn’t even be an issue…
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Level: Les Phillips
(224 Apps, 15 Gls)
Games they started playing in 2014 would still be ongoing tbf.
Akinfenwa would have eaten the linesmen before half-time.
ZeroTheHero
Level: Les Phillips
(224 Apps, 15 Gls)
If you had a 'game clock' that was stopped when the ball wasn't in play, there should still be sanctions for unnecessarily delaying the game or you'd have endless 'drinks breaks' and players going down with 'cramp' so their team mates could have a quick natter with the manager. Or perhaps it should be more like American football, where you'd have a fixed amount of time to take a throw in or free kick. Fail to do so and it's awarded the other way. I know it isn't traditional, but the endless time wasting really irritates me - and yes, even when we do it!
werthersoriginal
Level: James Constable
(280 Apps, 106 Gls)
Refs just need to be stronger with the likes of Wycombe, adding on time for time wasting and booking or sending off players who take the p**s. The cheating sides always seem to get the better of refs - maybe the fourth official needs to have a bigger role in keeping an eye on what they get up to.
Marked Ox
Level: Mickey Lewis
(351 Apps, 7 Gls)
I remember reffing an u16s game and one team was unsubtly timewasting, and I couldn't be bothered to write the multiple reports if I booked them, so told them for every minute they timewasted I'd add on double. We played 16 minutes injury time as they didn't believe me. Their manager had a moan but I just suggested he look at his own team's efforts. The opposition equalised after about 10 minutes injury time.
Wandering Yellow
Level: Steve Basham
(189 Apps, 51 Gls)
Kick ins would make every throw in a set piece and slow the game down lol, they don't have a clue.
- Year of First Game
- 1980
This idea was trialled in non-league back in the 90s I think it was. Can't find any official comments from the time, but did find an old forum thread talking about the experiment...
werthersoriginal
Level: James Constable
(280 Apps, 106 Gls)
It would have to be a quick tap, not a full blast launch into the box - probably no run up would be allowed.
Wandering Yellow
Level: Steve Basham
(189 Apps, 51 Gls)
Surely. You can't have throw ins becoming effectively free-kicks and corners. They trialled that in an Isthmian League years ago and apparently it was a disaster of epic proportions.
Marked Ox
Level: Mickey Lewis
(351 Apps, 7 Gls)
The comments I've seen from those who saw games in the trial was that it was laughable.
ZeroTheHero
Level: Les Phillips
(224 Apps, 15 Gls)
I agree and it ought to be over all games (not perhaps making a special case for it being applied to Wycombe and old time Stevenage. Although...
) , but whatever initiatives there are just get quietly forgotten after about three games and everything just reverts to how it was before! Remember the 'Respect' thing, where it was only captains who could speak to the ref? Or the season they actually started giving fouls for offences at corners? Or moving the ball forward if there was dissent at free kick (or have I imagined that one?). Or being serious about penalising diving, stopping opposition players standing close to a free kick to delay it being taken, actually penalising obstruction etc etc? They are all nine day wonders.
- Year of First Game
- 1980
No you didn't imagine it, that did happen for a season.
Marked Ox
Level: Mickey Lewis
(351 Apps, 7 Gls)
Non Rugby playing nations struggled to grasp the simple concept apparently iirc.
horseman
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if you introduce new laws then enforce them the whole season not just for a few games.
Who came up with Goalkicks being allowed to be taken either side rather than where the ball went out, this is now an obvious time wasting opportunity.
Free Kicks:::: let them be what the name suggests rather than allow an opposing player to stand by the ball, forcing the attacker to pass sideways or backwards.
When a player kicks the ball away, then award a free kick forward the same distance as was kicked away.
Chat to Goalkeepers "before" the game if you have to remind them about keeping 1 foot on the line, why the need for a conversation once a penalty is awarded.
Return to the keepers having 6 seconds to release the ball from both open play and Goalkicks and add the same time for a throw in to be taken.
Who came up with Goalkicks being allowed to be taken either side rather than where the ball went out, this is now an obvious time wasting opportunity.
Free Kicks:::: let them be what the name suggests rather than allow an opposing player to stand by the ball, forcing the attacker to pass sideways or backwards.
When a player kicks the ball away, then award a free kick forward the same distance as was kicked away.
Chat to Goalkeepers "before" the game if you have to remind them about keeping 1 foot on the line, why the need for a conversation once a penalty is awarded.
Return to the keepers having 6 seconds to release the ball from both open play and Goalkicks and add the same time for a throw in to be taken.
