Championship Plymouth Sack Rooney

[Left Wing Cross]

Lampard has often been criticised for his failing especially at Everton and Chelsea.
He did ok at Derby and Coventry a similar sized club I reckon will suit him. I reckon they’ll be challenging this time next year

His time at Derby included some heavy reliance on his Premier League connections by getting loans of Mount and Tomori from Chelsea and Wilson from Liverpool. Also, Derby had yet to suffer their financial implosion and were spending heavily on wages.

 

[dickwalton1964]

I think Rooney gets a raw deal, he comes across as a decent bloke, quite humble and no big time Charlie attitude. Someone like Shearer, for example, appears to be much more arrogant than Rooney. Rooney though hadn’t made the wisest choices in picking his clubs. Derby appeared a good fit and he perhaps should have rode out the problems there rather than quitting. Birmingham was a poor choice, the only way was down given how well Eustace was doing. Plymouth, not a great pick and was ways going to be a relegation battle.

I’m sat in the vicinity of the away dug out and I was surprised how unanimated Rooney was. There was nothing from him other than the very odd bellow and a clap if they produced a passage of worthy football. Phelan was more demonstrative but Rooney looked lost out there, surprising given how passionate a player he was. The Cardiff manager was the same, he did absolutely nothing from the touchline, just stood and watched. I like Rowett’s touchline demeanour - he’s not hysterical like Robinson but is more ‘out there’ than Des and interacts with the coaching staff more than Des did, certainly from the touchline.

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

Wayne Rooney: Where did it go wrong at Plymouth Argyle for former Manchester United and England striker?

As Wayne Rooney leaves his latest managerial role with Plymouth, BBC Sport looks at where it went wrong for the legendary striker.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Morris Oxford]

Plymouth scrap documentary about relegation fight after Rooney’s exit

Plymouth Argyle have scrapped plans to make a documentary about their battle against relegation from the Championship after Wayne Rooney’s departure this week

www.theguardian.com

 

[holdsteady]

Rooney was an absolute sensation as a footballer. I actually thought he was the best in the world in his late teens early 20,s. It’s not until you see footage and listen to other pros that you realise how influential he was. World class.

On to management, I very much doubt he has a clear plan in his head that is suitable for a Plymouth or Oxford situation in the second tier, and to me it sounds as if he can’t articulate that anyhow. Maybe elite footballers would understand but it’s doubtful.
And imagine from a players point of view…football and society is unrecognisable from when Rooney and co were at the top of their game. Rooney was from a very rough council estate and was able to physically dominate renown internationals when he was 18 and then there is the SAF factor. His simple expectations are probably out of line with the abilities of the majority of prem footballers let alone Plymouth Argyle.

Great player but never on the same level as Messi and Ronaldo so I can’t see how he was ever the best player in the world. In the pack behind them but some strong candidates above him from that group as well.

No shame on him as being at genuine world class level like he was the level is ridiculous, most of those players struggle, as you say, to comprehend football lower down where the players are still very good but mortal in comparison with the elite.

Still don’t think he would be much cop with the best though, the game came to naturally to him to ever have to think and understand it like the best managers. Zidane had his success with his Madrid though so maybe he should go to Man U, at least there he can’t do any worse than whoever else they appoint.

 

[Isle of Wight Yellow]

We generally don't like people doing well in this country and are bigger fans of the under dogs for whatever reason.

There is the argument that people like Rooney, Lampard etc. get opportunities over others due to their name which is true but, that is the same in all walks of life. It's not what you know, it's who you know.

That’s probably why people get annoyed when they see it happening in football as well

 

[tonyw]

I think Rooney gets a raw deal, he comes across as a decent bloke, quite humble and no big time Charlie attitude. Someone like Shearer, for example, appears to be much more arrogant than Rooney. Rooney though hadn’t made the wisest choices in picking his clubs. Derby appeared a good fit and he perhaps should have rode out the problems there rather than quitting. Birmingham was a poor choice, the only way was down given how well Eustace was doing. Plymouth, not a great pick and was ways going to be a relegation battle.

Decent bloke, great player.......but neither of those things qualify him for a Championship manager's gig. What evidence is there (or was there when Plymouth chose him) that he's ever going to make it as a manager?

There's a handful of great players that have also made great managers - but it really is a handful. The majority do not because it really is a completely different skillset required.

Rooney vs. Eustace? Not exactly a competition as to who was the better player. And it's also not a competition as to who is the better manager either. It's just flipped.

So why do these great players get big jobs? Because a lot of owners are idiots that pick managers based on their name, rather than their managerial ability. I'm glad we haven't gone down that route in a long time (maybe since Mark Wright? Although even then, at least he'd done a great job at Southport before we hired him)

 

[Colin B]

So why do these great players get big jobs? Because a lot of owners are idiots that pick managers based on their name, rather than their managerial ability. I'm glad we haven't gone down that route in a long time (maybe since Mark Wright? Although even then, at least he'd done a great job at Southport before we hired him)

Graham Rix says hello..................

 

[greatunclekip]

To be fair he did a really strong job at Derby (he did have a strong tactician in Rosenior alongside mind).

I honestly think he will do OK as a manager but it’s about starting lower down. The Championship Is as unforgiving as it comes.

It would be an interesting study as to what criteria contributes to being a good manager, and why so many top players seem to lack it.

On the other hand, some of the best ever were pretty decent players - e.g Ancelotti, Zidane etc.

Even those who clearly understand the game and speak well (Lampard, Solskjaer) have struggled whilst those who appear to talk a load of crap (Robinson eg) have had some success.

It’s a punt really.

 

[tonyw]

Graham Rix says hello..................

Fair enough, I don't really remember him as a player but I guess he was decent. And I think Ramon Diaz was too.

Which I suppose further emphasizes my point because we had an idiot (in footballing terms) owner that selected managers purely on the wow factor and how much it would get the fans talking and off his back for a little bit......and he took us down three leagues!

It was only after we started selecting managers again based on their track record, knowledge of the game and ability to articulate a coherent vision (starting with a certain chippy northerner) that we turned things around.

I'd say that six out of our last seven managerial appointments have been very good (I'm not counting Waddock because he didn't have enough time to properly evaluate.....his record on the pitch was rubbish but 100% record in bringing in quality players!) and none of them were particularly good players themselves. Rowett probably the best of the bunch, and he wasn't much more than an upper second tier journeyman!