Player ratings vs Fleetwood...
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North Wales Yellow
Level: Chris Maguire
(79 Apps, 22 Gls)
Holmes 6.8
Everyone else 4 or less
Everyone else 4 or less
ZeroTheHero
Level: Phil Whitehead
(238 Apps)
Shearer - 4. Didn't have that much to do, but fumbled the ball a couple of times and was slow off his line when he gave away the penalty (which I thought was actually a dive - but the game had gone by then).
Garbutt - 2. I think he might as well not have been there much of the time. Can't defend, didn't attack. May not be match ready, but we can't have him in the team to get fit!
Nelson - 5. Sort of unspectacularly steady. Not helped by the full backs on either side being so feeble and a lack of muscle in front of him.
Dickie -5. He came in for a bit of stick, but as with Nelson, he was trying to do the job of two men at times.
McMahon - 3. Also easy for the opposition to get past (see Garbutt). However, he did get forward a couple of times, and used his experience to cover for his lack of pace a couple of times.
Mackie -2. Sorry, but he is terrible. Either past it or unfit - either way the game passed him by and he missed our best chance of the game. Only not a 1 because he did put effort in - but that's really the minimum we should expect!
Brannagan - 5. Fairly anonymous (yes, another one!), but some neat passes when the ball wasn't being booted over his head. Not efective in the tackle though.
Ruffels - 3. Again, put a shift in. But out of his depth really, and not the defensive midfielder we need (although thankfully we have another one, as soon as he is fit).
Hall - 3. He's a better player than he showed today - but he didn't go past a man once, and (like others) had no snap or sparkle to him. Poor.
Holmes - 8. A diamond in a manure heap. The only player who showed anything like the required standard. Resorted to trying to make and score goals for himself as it became quickly obvious that nobody else was capable.
Smith - 6. Started Ok, but faded. With all the 'wide players' and 'number 10s' in the side, supply to him was awful.
KR - 3. What on earth has he been doing on the training pitch?
Subs - none of them made enough contribution to rate.
Garbutt - 2. I think he might as well not have been there much of the time. Can't defend, didn't attack. May not be match ready, but we can't have him in the team to get fit!
Nelson - 5. Sort of unspectacularly steady. Not helped by the full backs on either side being so feeble and a lack of muscle in front of him.
Dickie -5. He came in for a bit of stick, but as with Nelson, he was trying to do the job of two men at times.
McMahon - 3. Also easy for the opposition to get past (see Garbutt). However, he did get forward a couple of times, and used his experience to cover for his lack of pace a couple of times.
Mackie -2. Sorry, but he is terrible. Either past it or unfit - either way the game passed him by and he missed our best chance of the game. Only not a 1 because he did put effort in - but that's really the minimum we should expect!
Brannagan - 5. Fairly anonymous (yes, another one!), but some neat passes when the ball wasn't being booted over his head. Not efective in the tackle though.
Ruffels - 3. Again, put a shift in. But out of his depth really, and not the defensive midfielder we need (although thankfully we have another one, as soon as he is fit).
Hall - 3. He's a better player than he showed today - but he didn't go past a man once, and (like others) had no snap or sparkle to him. Poor.
Holmes - 8. A diamond in a manure heap. The only player who showed anything like the required standard. Resorted to trying to make and score goals for himself as it became quickly obvious that nobody else was capable.
Smith - 6. Started Ok, but faded. With all the 'wide players' and 'number 10s' in the side, supply to him was awful.
KR - 3. What on earth has he been doing on the training pitch?
Subs - none of them made enough contribution to rate.
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Bit harsh on Garbutt, generous to Maxkie & Hall. IMO
Still too frustrated to really digest it. But yeah, everyone except Holmes (plus maybe Smith and Nelson) were universally poor.
Garbutt is a poster-child for our broken football system. 25 years old - but looks as lost as a little first year pro. I’ve no doubt he has ability and will improve. But wow. He was DIRE today. Lots of stick flying around for Mackie, Ruffels, Dickie, Shearer, McMahon and more (mostly justified) but that was a miserable performance from LG
Garbutt is a poster-child for our broken football system. 25 years old - but looks as lost as a little first year pro. I’ve no doubt he has ability and will improve. But wow. He was DIRE today. Lots of stick flying around for Mackie, Ruffels, Dickie, Shearer, McMahon and more (mostly justified) but that was a miserable performance from LG
Sadly can’t really argue with any of that. Thought Karl was completely outsmarted by Barton tactically. Yes we’ll get better but surely with the budget he talks about we should be hitting the ground running rather than waiting for players to get match time?
Had no idea Garbutt was 25! Thought he was much younger, how the heck is he still on Everton’s books!
RCYellowRC
Level: Callum O'Dowda
(106 Apps, 14 Gls)
Agree with this Smith had no service when Holmes went outwide and was working with long balls.Shearer needs to go in my opinion, spills everything and so slow.Hopefukky Stevens gets the nod over next 2 months.
Luke Garbutt? More like Luke Garbage. He was shite.
But I'm sure he will improve. He has a good pedigree but he hasn't played consistent first team football properly for well over a season so I'm sure he'll need to get back into the swing of things.
If Robinson rates him then I trust he will come good.
But I'm sure he will improve. He has a good pedigree but he hasn't played consistent first team football properly for well over a season so I'm sure he'll need to get back into the swing of things.
If Robinson rates him then I trust he will come good.
Hackney Jack
Level: Chris Maguire
(79 Apps, 22 Gls)
Garbutt is absolute dog turd. What a f*****g nightmare set of signings we've made.
Rufflels actually one of our better players. Always kept competing, far better than the headless chicken, positionally suspect Branagan.
I would drop both full backs and move Ruffs back. McMahon is already a liability.
Can’t work out who was worse Hall or Mackie. Mackie looks shot.
Shearer’s error calamitous.
Robbo will get things right though.
I would drop both full backs and move Ruffs back. McMahon is already a liability.
Can’t work out who was worse Hall or Mackie. Mackie looks shot.
Shearer’s error calamitous.
Robbo will get things right though.
Victor1986
Level: Andy Crosby
(122 Apps, 13 Gls)
Seriously bad start - our worst (ever?). I have always said KR is a good man but our Chairman must be looking at him & thinking "er?" Garbutt is poor & looks leggy & not interested, Mackie is -er - past it, we have lost Carruthers until Christmas, Smith is too lightweight -- in fact a complete "fu****p" of a close season. Another loss next Saturday & ...well, takes a lot of making up. Why on earth did we start with Ruffels in midfield after his shocker last week? Come on KR earn your salary & deliver a team that can perform!!
bazzer9461
Level: Joey Beauchamp
(428 Apps, 79 Gls)
- Year of First Game
- 1968
And all the positive comments about him when he first came here pre season.
werthersoriginal
Level: James Constable
(280 Apps, 106 Gls)
I think our problems are midfield, fitness, and cohesion. The good news is that they these should all naturally improve. Garbutt is on 20k a week and plays for Everton, he must be better than that. We know Hall is. It will be OK
RCYellowRC
Level: Callum O'Dowda
(106 Apps, 14 Gls)
Full backs are the biggest issue. Neither goes past half way line meaning every attack is identical and not stretching the opposition. It's simple if the fullback's overlap you pull in midfielders and create gaps for others to run into. Fleetwood had attacking full backs and stretched us on most attacks.
Holmes has officially been in the building 3 F'ING DAYS and showed more commitment to the cause individual skill and guile than the rest of the team put together!!!
Appalling and depressing to watch....Holmes aside, who reminded me of a cross between Hylton and Maguire... (Magylton if you like[emoji16]).
Appalling and depressing to watch....Holmes aside, who reminded me of a cross between Hylton and Maguire... (Magylton if you like[emoji16]).
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werthersoriginal
Level: James Constable
(280 Apps, 106 Gls)
Holmes is going to be a monster for us, we all knew how good he was. Shows the young lads what the standard should be
Thehorse777
Level: Mateo Corbo
(13 Apps, 8 Yellows, 1 Red)
The fullbacks main role is to defend, forget what they do going forwards for now because they aren’t doing the fundamental part of their role.
How many crosses into the box did either of them stop?
I can’t remember a single one.
If you aren’t doing that, you aren’t worthy of a place in the side regardless of how well you can attack.
I feel sorry for whoever plays upfront at the moment as they are largely feeding off scraps and when they do manage to make something of the balls forward they are often left to fend off three defenders until they inevitably lose the ball.
The poor performances of Mackie and Hall today didn’t really give Smith much of a chance to make an impact on the game.
Of course Eastwood’s injury wasn’t ideal, but did this really have an impact on the result?
Not for me. The first goal was an easy finish that not many keepers would have saved, the penalty whilst reckless was at a stage where the game was gone.
I can’t see what kind of leaders and scrappers we have in the side now, think back to the team from around 96/97 ish and the names who were part of that:
Mike Ford
Martin Gray
Stuart Massey
Matt Elliott
Paul Moody
Darren Purse
Players who could take the team by the scruff of the neck and pull them through poor performances through work rate and endeavour.
Who do we have in that mould now?
I can’t think of a single one.
How many crosses into the box did either of them stop?
I can’t remember a single one.
If you aren’t doing that, you aren’t worthy of a place in the side regardless of how well you can attack.
I feel sorry for whoever plays upfront at the moment as they are largely feeding off scraps and when they do manage to make something of the balls forward they are often left to fend off three defenders until they inevitably lose the ball.
The poor performances of Mackie and Hall today didn’t really give Smith much of a chance to make an impact on the game.
Of course Eastwood’s injury wasn’t ideal, but did this really have an impact on the result?
Not for me. The first goal was an easy finish that not many keepers would have saved, the penalty whilst reckless was at a stage where the game was gone.
I can’t see what kind of leaders and scrappers we have in the side now, think back to the team from around 96/97 ish and the names who were part of that:
Mike Ford
Martin Gray
Stuart Massey
Matt Elliott
Paul Moody
Darren Purse
Players who could take the team by the scruff of the neck and pull them through poor performances through work rate and endeavour.
Who do we have in that mould now?
I can’t think of a single one.
Loathe to write anyone off on the one (terrible) performance I have seen but Garbutt looked like he lacked the bottle for a physical battle, turned away from challenges a few times, he is playing at left back in league one, if you can’t put the boot in occasionally then you ain’t going to play, he was a liability. We have to hope for a big improvement.
Village-Yellow
Level: Steve Basham
(189 Apps, 51 Gls)
Bloody hell... £20k a week!! Looked more like YTS on minimum wage. Woeful.
SouthLowerOx
Level: Mateo Corbo
(13 Apps, 8 Yellows, 1 Red)
I think a big part of it is confidence, he was looking to shift the ball on as quick as possible today. The lack of confidence hopefully is due to hardly playing many ‘real games’ for a long time.
Got a feeling when he gets up to speed people will soon forget these first few performances of his...
ZeroTheHero
Level: Phil Whitehead
(238 Apps)
Except that today the problem wasn't mostly when he had the ball. It was when the opponents were running at him and THEY had it. His positioning was terrible, his tackling non-existent and his lack of pace frighteningly exposed. I must admit that until this thread I didn't realise he is 25 years old, I thought he was much younger.
SouthLowerOx
Level: Mateo Corbo
(13 Apps, 8 Yellows, 1 Red)
I totally agree about the positional side of things. I still do think confidence has a part to play in his performance though.
I’m also another one that thought he was younger than 25!!
Gary Baldi
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
Smith ran out of puff today, but he will be a player for this team. When Holmes was in the 10 role, they caused problems as a partnership.
We really missed a ball winner in the middle of the park today. As hard as Ruffels tries, the game just goes past him and with the formation we are playing, I think he's better suited to left back.
We really missed a ball winner in the middle of the park today. As hard as Ruffels tries, the game just goes past him and with the formation we are playing, I think he's better suited to left back.
RCYellowRC
Level: Callum O'Dowda
(106 Apps, 14 Gls)
Whilst i get what your saying about the fullbacks, i do think if a fullback defending isn't the best then they need to use the attacking side of the game to there advantage, we saw last season with Ricardinho, he was a suspect defender but his attacking threat pinned wingers back and stopped them from being effective. Forexample he was against Lyle Taylor in the home game against Wimbledon last season and nullified him because he was so effective going forward.
Fullbacks do need to get tighter to men though, Garbutt is almost like a 3rd centre back and defends from about 5yds away, countless amount of times the RW had a free cross into box.
The only leader i see in that side isn't even on the pitch. Yes he is a suspect defender but i would drop the number 10 go to 3 in the centre of park and play Mousinho, yes he is hit and miss but he is a leader, he should be for us what Dean Marney was for Fleetwood today. The guy who does the simple sideways passes and breaks up play and allows Brannagan and Hanson to play with more freedom. Brannagan cannot play in a midfield two without an enforcer there [What Ledson was] someone who does the pressing and goes into the tackles and gives him time on the ball to pick out a 30yd pass.
Mystery Yellow
Level: Chris Maguire
(79 Apps, 22 Gls)
Full backs & the central midfield is a massive issue at present we are a easy touch in them areas, Fleetwood didn’t have the class of Barnsley be still exposed our most vulnerable areas with ease, thought be could of done with a Dean Marney in the centre for us
RyanioBirdio
Level: Les Phillips
(224 Apps, 15 Gls)
The general demeanour of the players is strange. Something doesn't seem right. They appear completely devoid of energy and fight - not necessarily disinterested but glum somehow. Lots of bowed heads even early on both today and at Barnsley. Overly quiet.
Worrying.
Worrying.
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