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Non-League Oxford City

Thomas/Brock/Jones said:
Well that's exactly what's just happened...Great prediction Ox14
Cox out Jenkins in
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No surprise. All that city have done over the last 3 seasons and being a club punching above their weight was under Ross. Sam Cox was taking the club backwards at a rapid rate.
 
I've no real insight to Oxford City, but it feels like getting promoted to the National League was a step too far.
Wages go up, ground requirements go up, travel goes up.
Reminds me of when Lewes chairman sacked their manager for getting promoted.
Sometimes an ambitious train set owner can get a promotion too far and then it all unravels and the club end up down several leagues or worse. See Histon, Rushden and Diamonds, etc
 
MarkG said:
I've no real insight to Oxford City, but it feels like getting promoted to the National League was a step too far.
Wages go up, ground requirements go up, travel goes up.
Reminds me of when Lewes chairman sacked their manager for getting promoted.
Sometimes an ambitious train set owner can get a promotion too far and then it all unravels and the club end up down several leagues or worse. See Histon, Rushden and Diamonds, etc
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It depends a bit on how well managed they were.
I don't get the impression that they blew money. They averaged nearly 1,000, well above normal crowds so their revenues would have been a lot higher.
It looks to me as if they hired the wrong manager and maybe recruited poorly
 
Foley said:
It depends a bit on how well managed they were.
I don't get the impression that they blew money. They averaged nearly 1,000, well above normal crowds so their revenues would have been a lot higher.
It looks to me as if they hired the wrong manager and maybe recruited poorly
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I heard, and there will definitely be someone on this board better informed than me, that the ground improvements required for playing in the national league ate up a lot of the extra money they had coming in. Can’t imagine it’s a huge rise in revenue.
 
holdsteady said:
I heard, and there will definitely be someone on this board better informed than me, that the ground improvements required for playing in the national league ate up a lot of the extra money they had coming in. Can’t imagine it’s a huge rise in revenue.
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Their crowds virtually doubled?
So presumably the revenues would have doubled ( bar takings will gave gone up in proportion?)
 
Great win for them at Hereford, who i remember winning at our place not so long ago
 
I went on Saturday to watch them play Warrington.
730 there and once they went 2 up at the end of the first half, they played pretty well and won comfortably 4 0 ( Warrington second from bottom)
Josh Parker looked one of their better players - I can't recall him playing 15 games for United in 2012/13 (he didn't score)?
 
Steve Gilbert said:
Drew 0-0 tonight. Now 7 points clear of the drop with a game in hand. Hopefully they stay up as I think it is a good place to send our academy lads on loan to so they can cut their teeth in men’s football.
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Disagree. They play on a plastic pitch, if we're trying to develop players for the football league, where plastic pitches are banned, then we shouldn't send youngsters to a club where half the games won't be on grass.

It'll be like preparing for Wimbledon by training on clay. 🎾

Plus if we're looking to develop players for the championship then I'm not sure any lower than the National League would be beneficial.
 
Orkney Islands Yellow said:
Disagree. They play on a plastic pitch, if we're trying to develop players for the football league, where plastic pitches are banned, then we shouldn't send youngsters to a club where half the games won't be on grass.

It'll be like preparing for Wimbledon by training on clay. 🎾

Plus if we're looking to develop players for the championship then I'm not sure any lower than the National League would be beneficial.
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To put the drop in perspective people on here were saying O Donkor wouldn't be wanted by City last season, that he wouldn't get into the team ahead of Parker. He then went on loan to Barnet and got into a team that finished in the play offs in the same league while City finished comfortably bottom, before going on loan to a (struggling) league one team this season while City have struggled in the National North. Its a long way between where we are now and where they are, might be handy for real youngsters but anyone approaching the first team squad isn't going to give us much value dropping that low, as you say you have to add in half their games being played on a surface we will (FA Cup draw aside) never play on.
 
holdsteady said:
To put the drop in perspective people on here were saying O Donkor wouldn't be wanted by City last season, that he wouldn't get into the team ahead of Parker. He then went on loan to Barnet and got into a team that finished in the play offs in the same league while City finished comfortably bottom, before going on loan to a (struggling) league one team this season while City have struggled in the National North. Its a long way between where we are now and where they are, might be handy for real youngsters but anyone approaching the first team squad isn't going to give us much value dropping that low, as you say you have to add in half their games being played on a surface we will (FA Cup draw aside) never play on.
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Useful as an option for a first loan should Oxford City want them. Ty Goodrham went to teams lower than that in the pyramid, Hayes & Yeading being the 1st.

Also, could be a useful option for a keeper loan as well as currently they are going lower in the pyramid to get playing minutes.
 
Marked Ox said:
Useful as an option for a first loan should Oxford City want them. Ty Goodrham went to teams lower than that in the pyramid, Hayes & Yeading being the 1st.

Also, could be a useful option for a keeper loan as well as currently they are going lower in the pyramid to get playing minutes.
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I did say it could be good for the very young ones, as you say a first loan.

Its a hell of a gap from the championship to the national league let alone another level down though, James Henry and Jack Stevens are are on 12 and 13 goals in the national league, I don't think either are going to be anywhere near the level we are currently playing at.
 
SteMerritt said:
To be fair, I did say that, but I did have some very reliable inside information that City weren't interested in taking God...
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To be fair I don't even think God would have done them much good last season.

Wasn't just you and your insider information saying it though, a few others agreed and said he wouldn't get in the team.

Out of interest, assuming we would have loaned him out to them, do you know why they were not interested? They had a revolving door of players in at one point and O Donkor went to a better team. To high wage contributions?
 
Foley said:
I went on Saturday to watch them play Warrington.
730 there and once they went 2 up at the end of the first half, they played pretty well and won comfortably 4 0 ( Warrington second from bottom)
Josh Parker looked one of their better players - I can't recall him playing 15 games for United in 2012/13 (he didn't score)?
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Josh Parker looks like a very classy veteran for them. I have no memory of him playing for us, just the name.
 
werthersoriginal said:
Josh Parker looks like a very classy veteran for them. I have no memory of him playing for us, just the name.
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Canice Carroll played at CB. Looked decent although didn't have a huge amount to do.
Very vocal (including having a right rant at the 4th official following Warrington players going down with head injuries)
 
holdsteady said:
To be fair I don't even think God would have done them much good last season.

Wasn't just you and your insider information saying it though, a few others agreed and said he wouldn't get in the team.

Out of interest, assuming we would have loaned him out to them, do you know why they were not interested? They had a revolving door of players in at one point and O Donkor went to a better team. To high wage contributions?
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The cool attitude was due to him not pulling up any trees when he was on loan there previously, and they had other targets in mind. Looking back, I'd say they made a mistake, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
 
SteMerritt said:
The cool attitude was due to him not pulling up any trees when he was on loan there previously, and they had other targets in mind. Looking back, I'd say they made a mistake, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Didn't know he had been there previously, must have been very young.
 
Foley said:
Canice Carroll played at CB. Looked decent although didn't have a huge amount to do.
Very vocal (including having a right rant at the 4th official following Warrington players going down with head injuries)
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is Alfie Potter still at City? , and for that matter Josh Ashby?
 
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Foley said:
I went on Saturday to watch them play Warrington.
730 there and once they went 2 up at the end of the first half, they played pretty well and won comfortably 4 0 ( Warrington second from bottom)
Josh Parker looked one of their better players - I can't recall him playing 15 games for United in 2012/13 (he didn't score)?
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Aside from beating Swindon in the JPT with a Potter goal, does anyone recall anything about 2012-13 at all?

It was one of the most boring on record.
 
unification said:
Aside from beating Swindon in the JPT with a Potter goal, does anyone recall anything about 2012-13 at all?

It was one of the most boring on record.
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The year of the all yellow home kit and the light blue away kit which I never really liked.
That season was the one when we played Northampton away in March, it was snowing and Andy Whing was a man possessed. I also remember the last away game of the season at Accrington and no one was really that bothered the season had ended.
 
holdsteady said:
Seem to be more ex league/Phoenix/traditional big non league clubs in the north as maybe less southern clubs fail and fall that far so the same might happen this season, whether it’s enough to cover the extra travel cost I don’t know.

48 teams split evenly north/south at that level, so if there are 24 teams further south than you, while it might seem a geographical oddity, then you are in the north, it’s got nothing to do with whether your club is actually in the north.
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Yep, they were promoted out of the SOUTHERN league in 2011-12, into the National League NORTH. They were literally the 24th most northerly team out of the two National Leagues that season, and therefore fell into the north half.
 
Mateo Corbo's Tackle said:
Yep, they were promoted out of the SOUTHERN league in 2011-12, into the National League NORTH. They were literally the 24th most northerly team out of the two National Leagues that season, and therefore fell into the north half.
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That's because National League south is effectively a London, Essex and Kent league!
 
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