owners charter 'scuppered'

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... the usual suspects are , of course the ones refusing to sign up

info from Football Supporters Association news feed (an hour ago)


Football Supporters' Association​

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England’s so-called “big six” clubs have killed off attempts by the Premier League to introduce a new owners charter according to reports published today.
The main domestic protagonists behind last year’s failed breakaway European Super League – Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur, Manchester City and Manchester United – have refused to sign up to the charter as it commits them to qualifying for UEFA’s Champions League via current sporting merit.
“It’s clear that these clubs have regard for sporting integrity and sporting merit only when it suits their own interests, at home or abroad,” said FSA chief exec Kevin Miles.
 
Sarge said:
... the usual suspects are , of course the ones refusing to sign up

info from Football Supporters Association news feed (an hour ago)


Football Supporters' Association​

t06fpg8mnhhush7104hff ·

England’s so-called “big six” clubs have killed off attempts by the Premier League to introduce a new owners charter according to reports published today.
The main domestic protagonists behind last year’s failed breakaway European Super League – Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur, Manchester City and Manchester United – have refused to sign up to the charter as it commits them to qualifying for UEFA’s Champions League via current sporting merit.
“It’s clear that these clubs have regard for sporting integrity and sporting merit only when it suits their own interests, at home or abroad,” said FSA chief exec Kevin Miles.
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additional info below ....

thefsa.org.uk

"Big six" sabotage of owners' charter shows need for reform - Football Supporters' Association

England’s so-called “big six” clubs have killed off attempts by the Premier League to introduce a new owners charter according to reports published today.
thefsa.org.uk thefsa.org.uk
 
SteMerritt said:
I thought that Premier League changes needed to be agreed by 14 members to pass, so there must be another club alongside the big six blocking it? Or did that rule get abandoned?
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According to the PL website:

"Clubs have the opportunity to propose new rules or amendments at the Shareholder meeting. Each Member Club is entitled to one vote and all rule changes and major commercial contracts require the support of at least a two-thirds vote, or 14 clubs, to be agreed."

www.premierleague.com

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Left Wing Cross said:
According to the PL website:

"Clubs have the opportunity to propose new rules or amendments at the Shareholder meeting. Each Member Club is entitled to one vote and all rule changes and major commercial contracts require the support of at least a two-thirds vote, or 14 clubs, to be agreed."

www.premierleague.com

About the Premier League - Organising Body of the Competition

Find out more about how the Premier League is organised and who we work with, on the official website of the Premier League.
www.premierleague.com www.premierleague.com
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Yeah thought it was that, so I'm not going mad then. For once.
 
Essexyellows said:
More news after an independent regulator is mentioned (again)....

thefsa.org.uk

Fan-led Review: FSA urges Government to move fast and legislate - Football Supporters' Association

Football Supporters’ Association response to the Government’s latest fan-led review announcement:
thefsa.org.uk thefsa.org.uk

I`m sure the government will make the right moves but it won`t be "fast".
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..... ooooooh, a new quango for former Bullingdon club members to oversee and to receive vast amounts of taxpayers money for doing so


Seriously though, I hope the government do the right thing, despite it being unlikely
 
Oxymoron said:
However
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EPL: Ban on alcohol drinking during matches may be lifted

Football fans will be allowed to drink alcohol while watching games for the first time in 37 years, according to government plans to be published this summer.Ministers have agreed to review the current ban on drinking alcohol during matches, wh
sportinglife.ng
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From that article...

And they will approve a pilot project to test the safety of drinking alcohol on the pitch, which could pave the way for drinking at the highest levels of the game for the first time in nearly four decades.
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Drinking 'on the pitch'??? Blimey, I thought they would at least restrict it to the stands.
 
Sarge said:
..... ooooooh, a new quango for former Bullingdon club members to oversee and to receive vast amounts of taxpayers money for doing so


Seriously though, I hope the government do the right thing, despite it being unlikely.
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It`ll be someone who steps forward with their own agenda - they certainly will not be democratically elected - its how these things work.
 
we get a mention in here

"Football authorities and several clubs have recognised the benefits that come from
genuine fan engagement in improving their decision making processes and we
recognise that some steps are already being taken to improve this engagement.
These include ongoing improvements to the existing Structured Dialogue process
between supporter groups such as the Football Supporters’ Association and the
leagues. More recently, the FA has started to establish a Fan Consultation Group
which is due to start meeting in April 2022. We have also noted improvements being
made to the processes at clubs such as Liverpool, Manchester United and Oxford
United, amongst others. "
 
As mentioned elsewhere, a box-ticking exercise that will not solve the issues of owners using football clubs as tools for their own benefit.

The only way to fix it is to retain a legal link between stadium and club and to implement FFP rules properly.

Then take that massive pot of surplus money in the PL pot and force it to be spread down the pyramid.

None of which will be seen as free market so just rinse and repeat as little clubs continue to fold......
 
Essexyellows said:
As mentioned elsewhere, a box-ticking exercise that will not solve the issues of owners using football clubs as tools for their own benefit.

The only way to fix it is to retain a legal link between stadium and club and to implement FFP rules properly.

Then take that massive pot of surplus money in the PL pot and force it to be spread down the pyramid.

None of which will be seen as free market so just rinse and repeat as little clubs continue to fold......
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pre-judging it a bit. I seem to recall a similar reaction to the OUSP which is proving to be well received. Kevin Miles Chief Exec of the Football Supporters Association who has I’m sure looked at this in some detail gives it a cautious welcome from 18.16 at the following link.

www.bbc.co.uk

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MarkG said:
we get a mention in here

"Football authorities and several clubs have recognised the benefits that come from
genuine fan engagement in improving their decision making processes and we
recognise that some steps are already being taken to improve this engagement.
These include ongoing improvements to the existing Structured Dialogue process
between supporter groups such as the Football Supporters’ Association and the
leagues. More recently, the FA has started to establish a Fan Consultation Group
which is due to start meeting in April 2022. We have also noted improvements being
made to the processes at clubs such as Liverpool, Manchester United and Oxford
United, amongst others. "
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How the hell have Man Utd got a higher billing than us on that? They have no defense or attack.
 
MarkG said:
we get a mention in here

"Football authorities and several clubs have recognised the benefits that come from
genuine fan engagement in improving their decision making processes and we
recognise that some steps are already being taken to improve this engagement.
These include ongoing improvements to the existing Structured Dialogue process
between supporter groups such as the Football Supporters’ Association and the
leagues. More recently, the FA has started to establish a Fan Consultation Group
which is due to start meeting in April 2022. We have also noted improvements being
made to the processes at clubs such as Liverpool, Manchester United and Oxford
United, amongst others. "
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English footballs big three.
 
Wallop said:
pre-judging it a bit. I seem to recall a similar reaction to the OUSP which is proving to be well received. Kevin Miles Chief Exec of the Football Supporters Association who has I’m sure looked at this in some detail gives it a cautious welcome from 18.16 at the following link.

www.bbc.co.uk

Radio 5 Live - Listen Live - BBC Sounds

Listen live to BBC Radio 5 Live on BBC Sounds
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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I have more faith in the FSA than other similar organisations.
The problem is football is now a multi-billion £££ business and HMG won`t want to be seen to restrict it.
And with that comes the problems...... you don`t see your local corner shop being "saved" because Lidl/Aldi et al are opening just down the road and football is exactly the same - a business that lives or dies.
 
Essexyellows said:
I have more faith in the FSA than other similar organisations.
The problem is football is now a multi-billion £££ business and HMG won`t want to be seen to restrict it.
And with that comes the problems...... you don`t see your local corner shop being "saved" because Lidl/Aldi et al are opening just down the road and football is exactly the same - a business that lives or dies.
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Agreed and I remain quite sceptical about the impact this will have but your initial reaction which (sorry) was very negative rather triggered me. If it is implemented and indeed is a tick-box exercise, then we can all moan about it - but do give it a chance Old Boy!
 
Wallop said:
Agreed and I remain quite sceptical about the impact this will have but your initial reaction which (sorry) was very negative rather triggered me. If it is implemented and indeed is a tick-box exercise, then we can all moan about it - but do give it a chance Old Boy!
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It will be a tick box until such a time as things/conversations get "difficult".

Look at the current "independent regulators" for lessons in efficiency and making a difference.

They are mostly all talk and have no teeth except the occasional hefty financial penalty that makes diddly difference to the majority of customers or consumers.

I can see how this will end up.
 
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