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It's interesting that apart from "get Brexit done", the Tory supporters on here want everything to stay the same and can't see anything wrong with things as they are even as millions of children are going hungry
 
Canterburyexile said:
It’s a harsh thing to say, but I cannot see how you could possibly vote conservative this time unless you just don’t give a f**k about other people.
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It's probably even harsher to admit that I don't care about other people beyond my immediate friends and family.

I imagine a lot of votes are cast on the basis of whether and to what extent you care about others.
 
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London Bridge attack: Boris Johnson ignores family’s plea not to exploit victims' deaths

Prime minister accused of ‘distasteful’ attempt to turn London Bridge attack into election issue
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Shouldn’t be shocked by this but I am.

So far in the past 7 days he’s ducked being interviewed under the same scrutiny other leaders have. Completely ducked out of a climate change debate. Bare-faced lied on an interview. And disrespected the wishes of a grieving father to try and score political points.
I’m beyond understanding how anyone can accept this vile cnut. He’s literally the last person I’d ever wish to be able have a say on the future of our nation.

What depresses me 10x more is the leeway he’s being given in the media. Any other candidate would have been castigated beyond recognition.

What depresses me 100x more is the fact that people could even consider him & the party he represents worth even voting for.
This is literally what Americans went through with Trump.

We’ve literally watched and laughed at America and Trump, and somehow haven’t even taken a bit of f*****g notice. I genuinely am feeling so depressed with the state of the UK right now - and in 10 days it looks like we’re going to vote I don’t care about child poverty, we’re going to vote - I don’t care about homelessness, we’re going to vote - I don’t care if I’m electing a liar, we’re going to vote - I don’t care about the NHS, we’re going to vote - I don’t care about the environment.

Thinking about it just makes me feel numb.
 
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BristolOx said:
Find it so sad that people can watch stuff like this and either A) not care or B) think it is somehow unavoidable
Hard to decide which is worse.
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Don't disagree.
But at the same time - I think it's possible to care and think 4.5m Britons in poverty is avoidable and think that Jeremy Corbyn's Labour is not the solution to this.

Because I read Labour's manifesto, and I see him interviewed, and what I see is a political idealist that is presenting a set of policies that collectively are simply not economically viable for a country such as Britain in the modern era. Vast amounts of money going out, and insufficient sources of funding coming in - which are both nowhere near enough, and likely to hurt people other than those intended. There's at least half a dozen independent ideas that may sound fair and egalitarian on first glance, but in practice (I believe) are just plain impractical. And which collectively lead to a major economic risk to the country.

It's a set of policies that might have worked in the 60s or 70s, but won't work in today's global economy. Yes, there are some great examples of socialist countries that have done a far better job of achieving income equality and eradicating poverty than we have in Britain - I'm particularly thinking of the Nordic countries - but they have done so by taking a much more pragmatic and (dare I say it) business/entrepreneur-friendly approach than Corbyn is proposing.

None of which is to say that I will be voting Conservative. I won't, for all the reasons discussed in detail on this thread.

I'll be going Lib Dem.....albeit with a complete lack of enthusiasm given how much Swinson has bombed this campaign.
 
tonyw said:
Don't disagree.
But at the same time - I think it's possible to care and think 4.5m Britons in poverty is avoidable and think that Jeremy Corbyn's Labour is not the solution to this.

Because I read Labour's manifesto, and I see him interviewed, and what I see is a political idealist that is presenting a set of policies that collectively are simply not economically viable for a country such as Britain in the modern era. Vast amounts of money going out, and insufficient sources of funding coming in - which are both nowhere near enough, and likely to hurt people other than those intended. There's at least half a dozen independent ideas that may sound fair and egalitarian on first glance, but in practice (I believe) are just plain impractical. And which collectively lead to a major economic risk to the country.

It's a set of policies that might have worked in the 60s or 70s, but won't work in today's global economy. Yes, there are some great examples of socialist countries that have done a far better job of achieving income equality and eradicating poverty than we have in Britain - I'm particularly thinking of the Nordic countries - but they have done so by taking a much more pragmatic and (dare I say it) business/entrepreneur-friendly approach than Corbyn is proposing.

None of which is to say that I will be voting Conservative. I won't, for all the reasons discussed in detail on this thread.

I'll be going Lib Dem.....albeit with a complete lack of enthusiasm given how much Swinson has bombed this campaign.
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If you actually look at all the economic policies - not a single one of them is extreme.
Rail fares - still more expensive than Europe. And that’s one of the more ‘out there’ ones.

Compare the policies with the rest of Europe, I think you’ll be shocked at how normal they are. Or in fact how abnormal they currently are!
 
BristolOx said:
www.theguardian.com

London Bridge attack: Boris Johnson ignores family’s plea not to exploit victims' deaths

Prime minister accused of ‘distasteful’ attempt to turn London Bridge attack into election issue
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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It's a difficult one. Johnson has previously spoken about extending the sentences of violent and sexual offenders so it was inevitable that the subject would come up and his position would be strengthened by this event.

However, the posturing by a number of politicians is not right and the victims get forgotten in all of the oneupmanship bullshit.
 
I really don’t think Johnson’s position has been ‘strengthened’ by this at all. Punitive law and order has always been a mainstay of Tory rhetoric, even though study after study proves it is ineffective and/or more damaging that some of the alternatives.

Johnson has merely demonstrated once again that he will use anything to smear the Labour Party. The depths to which he is prepared to stoop merely hint at his repugnant personality and sense of entitlement.
 
Canterburyexile said:
I really don’t think Johnson’s position has been ‘strengthened’ by this at all. Punitive law and order has always been a mainstay of Tory rhetoric, even though study after study proves it is ineffective and/or more damaging that some of the alternatives.

Johnson has merely demonstrated once again that he will use anything to smear the Labour Party. The depths to which he is prepared to stoop merely hint at his repugnant personality and sense of entitlement.
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The position regarding being tough on violent and sexual offending will inevitably be linked to a high profile violent offence committed by someone recently released from prison. And the general view of the man on the street (and many on here) is to lock them up and throw away the key. So on this subject, and this alone, Johnson's position will have public support, which will strengthen his position.

Do I agree? No. Do I think that there has been a huge lack of respect on all sides? Yes. But sadly, this in irrelevant to many of the electorate who mirror the anger of the Daily Mail and others in wanting vengeance.
 
Scotchegg said:
The position regarding being tough on violent and sexual offending will inevitably be linked to a high profile violent offence committed by someone recently released from prison. And the general view of the man on the street (and many on here) is to lock them up and throw away the key. So on this subject, and this alone, Johnson's position will have public support, which will strengthen his position.

Do I agree? No. Do I think that there has been a huge lack of respect on all sides? Yes. But sadly, this in irrelevant to many of the electorate who mirror the anger of the Daily Mail and others in wanting vengeance.
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I think if it was another conservative leader in another election you might well be right. Johnson’s cover is blown now though, even to many Tory voters. This is being seen for what it is.
 
Canterburyexile said:
I think if it was another conservative leader in another election you might well be right. Johnson’s cover is blown now though, even to many Tory voters. This is being seen for what it is.
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I wish that were true. But I think that politics have become very black and white, and in a straight fight between Johnson and Corbyn, Johnson will come out on top.
 
It’s interesting isn’t it? We have one politician that can’t go out in public, who is loathed everywhere he goes, and that despite a friendly media won’t even be interviewed by the bloke who chairs the right wing magazine he used to edit .

He has a record of incompetence and corruption- he was fired twice for lying, people who worked with him say he is not fit for high office, he threatened a journalist, he helped a young female associate get a 100 grand grant she was utterly unqualified for and wasted 50 million pounds of public money on an unbuilt Garden Bridge With millions going to his mates.

His racism- in articles he wrote and published-would mean he would rightly be banned from The Kassam Stadium if he had said these things out loud. Nobody trusts him, or believes in his vision for the country-his only plan is to get re-elected- and laughably day he’ll” get Brexit Done” which any serious politician knows is impossible in the way and the timescale he claims.

He’s taken big donations from Russian oligarchs, and gets paid a quarter of a million pounds a year by a national newspaper.

The other politician seems happy speaking to ordinary people, claims minimum expenses, has a vision for the country which deals with the key issues facing the country, poverty, schools, housing, climate change.
 
I definitely don’t want Johnson in power but let’s not pretend Corbyn is some sort of angel/messiah. Corbyn (as do other members of his front bench) refuses to be interviewed by Nick Ferrari and James O’Brian on LBC.

He has refused on multiple occasions to apologise for anti Semitic behaviour within the party he leads. His manifesto has been quoted as being undeliverable based on his current costings/methods to raise funds. It’s not uncommon for him to lose his temper when dealing with difficult questions posed by journalists. He’s presided over probably the weakest opposition party in my lifetime. His party attempted to remove the Deputy Leader through fairly back handed means.

Dont get me wrong I think he’s a better alternative than Johnson but not by a long shot which is why this entire election and politics in this country is so depressing.
 
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