National News Official 2019 General Election Thread

Essexyellows

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As I understand it then, your proposition is that the only reason investors consider is tax rate, nothing else. So the point of Brexit is to attract more 'investors' and we must comply. Project Fear.
Nope just a thought for those who line up to "bash the rich" for ..................ermmm..... being rich!

That is how life is, it is why "a rich bloke" owns OUFC, a "rich bloke" owns the ground...... ad infinitum.
 

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Here`s a thought for you......................... Comrade Corbyn is worth (roughly) £3 million..... ergo he is a "multi-millionaire". Are they exempt from "being bashed" ?
 

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I think you mean Jeremy
Here`s a thought for you......................... Comrade Corbyn is worth (roughly) £3 million..... ergo he is a "multi-millionaire". Are they exempt from "being bashed" ?
I think you mean “ Jeremy Corbyn bought a small house in his constituency thirty years ago.”
 

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Nope just a thought for those who line up to "bash the rich" for ..................ermmm..... being rich!

That is how life is, it is why "a rich bloke" owns OUFC, a "rich bloke" owns the ground...... ad infinitum.
"the rich man at his castle,
the poor man at his gate
God man them blah blah
and orders their estate"

Have you been sipping the spirit of Pangloss? I think it's utterly unbecoming for a grown up who walks past homeless people to believe that everything's cool; or to think the poor can get out of poverty in the UK by eating less, as you previously stated.

I haven't been in the 'tax the rich' discussion but income tax is only a small part of the problem: sales taxes (VAT) apply regressively across rich and poor, they must be counted into any consideration of tax burden, capital gains need to be taxed in line with income and an overall property tax would be beneficial to the economy as a whole (rich, poor and have you seen the state of US infrastructure?) - the principles of Social Credit were used in Italian towns to penalise 'holding on' to wealth.

Of course the reason the 'rich' appear to be paying more tax (according to the data spewed by RT Troll*), is that the figures presented only consider what is taxed. The ownership of assets (of any kind) through offshore funds should be transparent (as even David Cameron stated before he buried the idea when he discovered that as well as hampering money-laundering it would show which of the rich were owning assets and moving money through offshore entities to avoid tax) and imaginative and fair means should be found to tax that wealth - applies to corporations as well.


* whose source may well be the National Taxpayers' Union, sponsored by our old friends the Koch Brothers, ALEC and big tobacco, or one of it's clients.
 

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The property tax is one that needs to be considered.
From memory council tax rates have not been reconsidered since 1991. A friend of mine in Fulham for example pays under £2000pa, for a house worth around £3million. He is a multi millionaire and has a high powered job. He also enjoys free transport into central London as he is over 60.
As I understand it, a similar house outside of Oxford would probably be around £600000 but the council taxes would be considerably more.
So I think there is scope for money to be redistributed from the higher earners. I don’t agree with a general levelling down, but think that those at the bottom end of the ladder could be given a help up a rung or two.
The Conservatives to me, have taken a step back several decades, must be something to do with JRM, of penalising the elderly by increasing the retirement age and removing the free TV licences from the over 75. We already have one of the highest retirement ages in the EU but also some of the lowest pension rates.
Equity release for example has been in fashion over the last decade or so. The reality highlighted in a documentary last night is that many people are being fleeced of their life savings.
The introduction of Universal Credit in this parliament has also caused extreme poverty especially amongst those who are newly unemployed and disabled. Where was the help from the Conservatives when it was needed?
Unfortunately this country is on its knees financially and we are stagnating. Several find themselves in zero hours contracts, savings rates are low, and of course people are stretched on their mortgages even though interest rates are low.For those that argue house prices are too high..they are in Oxford..if prices fall we are in negative equity territory then and then there is less mobility of Labour.
The economy has to grow, and it is recognised that we have to borrow money to do it.
The question is who do we trust with our money...
 

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"the rich man at his castle,
the poor man at his gate
God man them blah blah
and orders their estate"
That just proves that there have been rich & poor for centuries and there always will be.
It is down to mixture of parentage, fate, choices, luck, judgement etc etc................... in the same way (generally) nobody chooses to be on the streets nobody (generally) chooses to be "born rich" ........although that is a slightly smoother road to accept.

We are not all equal, that is a sad old fact of life, but we all end up the same way............................... dead. 😁
 

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I see the SNP and Labour are prattling on about Trump, Trump and the NHS. It's distracted nonsense because of the big assumption that anyone negotiating with Trump will immediately cave and Trump will be in office when a deal is negotiated.

It's ironic seeing as a senior NHS person asked for the NHS not to be weaponised.

Oh, and there is this one:

The sad thing is, I have some sympathy with people who say one bad thing and fall victim to cancel culture. However, what is good for the goose, is good for the gander. It doesn't help Labour and the whole anti-semitism thang
 

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Condescending crap.

But hey, just in case, let's all vote Labour and put Corbyn in No.10. That would really solve everything. Nationalise everything, tax all the rich bastards, drop the working week to 35 hours (or less?) raise the minimum wage, scrap the military, sack the royal family, build nothing but social housing, scrap the house of lords, etc. etc.
Eh? I said nothing about Corbyn, just about your unbelievably unwordly, forelock-tugging comment about what the tories wouldn’t do on purpose. Me “condescending” compared to that mob? Lol.
 

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Thank God for small mercies 😁

I'm no longer in employment so I don't have time to waste on this B*****s, have a lovely afternoon while my taxes are paying for you to post :unsure:
Meh, I`m a taxpayer too. Efficient at my job and can multi-task... 😁 😁

Have a lovely weekend, I avoid this B*****s at home!
 

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Eh? I said nothing about Corbyn, just about your unbelievably unwordly, forelock-tugging comment about what the tories wouldn’t do on purpose. Me “condescending” compared to that mob? Lol.
So, in your world, it would come as no surprise then?

By the way: Condescending - having or showing an attitude of patronising superiority.
"unbelievably unwordly, forelock-tugging" That's not condescending? (I assume you meant to write worldly, by the way)
 

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I see the SNP and Labour are prattling on about Trump, Trump and the NHS. It's distracted nonsense because of the big assumption that anyone negotiating with Trump will immediately cave and Trump will be in office when a deal is negotiated.
I don't think it's necessarily a matter of immediately caving - but it is undoubtedly the fact that pharma, along with agriculture, are likely to be high priorities on the US side in any trade negotiations. If the purpose of the negotiations is to reduce barriers for US and UK companies to be operating in the others' markets - then the UK (as the smaller economy, and the one just exiting a free trade arrangement with its biggest trading partner) is not going to be able to call all the shots when it comes to which industries will be included.

But your second point is right - a US-UK trade deal would definitely not be completed by the end of 2020, and probably not by the end of 2024 (the one with South Korea, for example, took about six and a half years from the opening of negotiations until it came into effect).

So more likely to be being signed by President Winfrey in 2026!
 
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