Championship Notts F v Sheff u

[Scotchegg]

Surely there can't be a claim of lawfully used force if someone is on the floor and you walk up and either stamp or kick them
I dunno

It's entirely down to context. If someone is lying peaceful on the floor and someone walks over and stamps on them then it's going to take one hell of a lawyer to get you off.

If on the other hand, you have been assaulted and fearing further assault, throw/push that person to the floor and administer a single blow (punch, kick, stamp) in order to incapacitate the individual, then that could be argued as reasonable force and is entirely lawful.

Context is key.

 

[bazzer9461]

Looks like the EFL aren’t gong to show to much b*****s when punishing Nottingham Forrest.

The EFL condemned the pitch invasion at Forest and has warned it could consider measures including capacity reductions, should such similar occurrences happen in future.

 

[bazzer9461]

Not to sure Oli MacBurnie could claim this as self defence.

Proportional Response​

Self-defense law requires the response to match the level of the threat in question. In other words, a person can only employ as much force as required to remove the threat. If the threat involves deadly force, the person defending themselves can use deadly force to counteract the threat. If, however, the threat involves only minor force and the person claiming self-defense uses force that could cause grievous bodily harm or death, the claim of self-defense will fail.

 

[Oxymoron]

Billy Sharp: Fan jailed for headbutting player at end of match

Sheffield United captain Billy Sharp was assaulted at the end of their match with Nottingham Forest.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Oxford1996]

2 Sheffield United players now under FA investigations for assault on Forest fans.

The videos are not a good look for Brewster & Oli McBurnie. Doesn’t look like ‘self defence’ to me

 

[Sarge]

24 weeks jail ... a smallish ( for the crime) fine/ compensation fee and a 10 year banning order
I think he got off lightly

conversely ... should someone get caught with a bit of powder (for personal use) in a pocket in/around a football match and its a 3-5 year banning order + fine ? ..... shouldn't a similar 'ban' be applied to those in Westminster doing exactly the same, - such as a particularly poor impressionist who appeared to be 'charlied up' on a live tv interview?

 

[Marked Ox]

2 Sheffield United players now under FA investigations for assault on Forest fans.

The videos are not a good look for Brewster & Oli McBurnie. Doesn’t look like ‘self defence’ to me

Unimpressed with the stewarding. Why didn't they at least create a decent sized 'safe zone' for the players from the supporters so they are separate? It isn't as though the pitch invasion would come as a surprise when the home team wins and if it didn't materialise then they'd have at least been prepared.

Whilst again it doesn't look good, it is still only part of the story with what happened before that not shown.

 

[Thomas/Brock/Jones]

Can understand why fences were so prevalent in the past to keep fans off the pitch . Surely only a matter of time before a serious injury happens . Not saying we should bring them back but its starting to be the ' norm ' to invade the pitch and sadly get confrontational rather than celebratory.

 

[chuckbert]

2 Sheffield United players now under FA investigations for assault on Forest fans.

The videos are not a good look for Brewster & Oli McBurnie. Doesn’t look like ‘self defence’ to me

No idea what I’m supposed to be looking at in that vid.

 

[Oxymoron]

Bottom left, geezer in the red shirt behind the guy in the fetching striped ensemble?

 

[chuckbert]

Bottom left, geezer in the red shirt behind the guy in the fetching striped ensemble?

OK - can see something there, but not sure what. Be very surprised if that kind of footage got anyone anywhere close to being in trouble. (Other than people being on the pitch who are not supposed to be).

 

[Oxymoron]

OK - can see something there, but not sure what. Be very surprised if that kind of footage got anyone anywhere close to being in trouble. (Other than people being on the pitch who are not supposed to be).

It shows a person in a grey track suit run up and grab a red shirted man around the neck from behind and pull him to the floor. The other video on this thread offers weight to suggestion that this is the Forest fan at the centre of the alleged stamping incident which Ollie McBurnie has been arrested and bailed over.

Where's Brian Clough when you need him

 

[bazzer9461]

It shows a person in a grey track suit run up and grab a red shirted man around the neck from behind and pull him to the floor. The other video on this thread offers weight to suggestion that this is the Forest fan at the centre of the alleged stamping incident which Ollie McBurnie has been arrested and bailed over.

Where's Brian Clough when you need him

Has to be dealt with, was it in self defence….nothing seems to support that opinion and if witness statements are taken, those witnesses present will be Nottingham Forest fans.

 

[Marked Ox]

Has to be dealt with, was it in self defence….nothing seems to support that opinion and if witness statements are taken, those witnesses present will be Nottingham Forest fans.

I would hope there are other videos, including official sources and social media, which will show far more of what happened through the whole incident.

 

[bazzer9461]

I would hope there are other videos, including official sources and social media, which will show far more of what happened through the whole incident.

Yes it would help but if the Notts forest fan was pulled over by another Blades player before MacBurnie stamped on and I assume studded boots, then questions need to be asked. If MacBurnie was assaulted by the fan he is entitled to use minimum force to defend himself but I think stamping on someone who allegedly had been pulled down by another then that’s more than minimum force.

 

[m]

Yes it would help but if the Notts forest fan was pulled over by another Blades player before MacBurnie stamped on and I assume studded boots, then questions need to be asked. If MacBurnie was assaulted by the fan he is entitled to use minimum force to defend himself but I think stamping on someone who allegedly had been pulled down by another then that’s more than minimum force.

That's why more video is needed Bazzer!

If the Forest fan had previously been put on the floor but had sprung straight up and lamped someone then a stamp might be considered reasonable force.

I don't believe the law says anything about 'minimum force'.

 

[bazzer9461]

That's why more video is needed Bazzer!

If the Forest fan had previously been put on the floor but had sprung straight up and lamped someone then a stamp might be considered reasonable force.

I don't believe the law says anything about 'minimum force'.

Technically byte law rates if someone comes at you with a knife and you hit them in defence and they fall to the ground that is your minimum force, of course many as would I would them give the assailant a bit of kick to make sure he doesn’t get up to try and attack you again.
This was from a police officer when he was asked the level of force you could use but not the afters you may give to make sure.

 

[Sarge]

SIA guide for Door Supervisors ( Bouncers)
FAQs
What is reasonable force ?


SIA licensed security staff can use reasonable force to protect themselves other people or property. Reasonable Force is associated with defending against violence and theft. It can be used as a defence in criminal proceedings or to defend yourself from being sued in a civil law suit.


I presume similar would apply ( re pitch invasion incidents) as Door Supervisors have no 'extra' powers, they are legally bound by the same laws as all citizens

 

[Wandering Yellow]

Congats to Forest