Matches Norwich Away - Now Friday 7th March @ 8pm

What, prior to the super rich buying up a working mans game and using as their play thing?

We had a football pyramid that had a degree of integrity to it. Now, we have super rich Birmingham paying £10,000,000 plus for a centre forward and players moving to Saudi in the peak of their careers to earn £500,000 a week.

You'll not convince me football is better for all of the money and Sky influence.

I meant the history, all of it, you can't erase the last 30 years but keep what came before it. No tv money, no Oxford United, no football league, FA Cup etc. The achievements of OUFC fade away. I would be sad to see it all go.
 
Unbelievably, I went to the last Norwich away match v Oxford in 1998 and from memory that was on a Sunday at 1pm and again on sky back then!

We won 3-1 and I'm sure we took around 500 on the day. From that perspective some things never change!

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I remember that game well. They scored after about five minutes. Luckily my Norwich supporting friend took me by car
 
Yeah, I get that, but no-one is losing budget.

increasing budgets by fixed amounts means a lesser % increase for a larger budget of course, but in absolute cash terms, it's no different.
I don’t really understand your first point. We are talking about how we’d fare without the Sky money. If we don’t have the Sky money, our budget falls.

The point I’m making is that the relative value of the cash is more important than the absolute value. Do you think that you and Elon Musk would be equally affected by the news you were suddenly £1m poorer?

If you can’t see that us having to pay all of our players 50% less might have a bigger effect than Leeds not paying a fee for a single one of their multiple signings each year, I guess we can just agree to disagree.
 
Yes but without it we wouldn’t be nowhere near, with the Kassam and our current revenue opportunities we are doing very well considering.

We rely on the tv money to even be remotely competitive.

I'd say the TV money helps us to be competitive with some of the bigger perennially midtable Championship clubs. Your Prestons or Stokes. Then the TV money takes some of the edge off the disparity in matchday and commercial revenues.

But for any team that has played in the Premier League in the last few seasons, the TV money is just exacerbating the differences. Not only are Sheffield United and Burnley generating more matchday and commercial revenue than us, they're also getting 5x the TV money.

So it's a long way from being the great leveller......

I think that is probably what football in this country needs. The English Football League sold their soul to Sky in 92. Since then, the disparity between the top 6 in the PL and the rest has got bigger and bigger. It's why stories like Leicester winning the league are so special. It will probably never happen again.

I'd love the European super league to get the green light. Let the greedy bastards go and have their super league and leave the rest of us to get on with it.

Football is not a patch on what it used to be. VAR, Sky, players feigning injuries every 5 minutes... it is all driven by greed and geared towards the 'super clubs'.

......in our league at least.

The Premier League TV deal, by contrast, has now gotten so large that (in combination with the FFP rules) it is starting to smooth out some of the disparities between the Top 6 and at least the other clubs that are long-term Premier League survivors.

Hell, we've just had a transfer window in which Palace and Villa were able to turn down offers for their best players from Top 6 clubs, meanwhile Chelsea and Man U had to be net sellers in order to cut down their losses! All the while Forest and even Bournemouth have a shot in February at CL football whilst Man U and Spurs do not (unless they win the Europa League).

Which is not me saying that it's better and more even than pre-Premier League, because it isn't.
But it does seem to be better and more even than it was ten years ago.
 
I'd say the TV money helps us to be competitive with some of the bigger perennially midtable Championship clubs. Your Prestons or Stokes. Then the TV money takes some of the edge off the disparity in matchday and commercial revenues.

But for any team that has played in the Premier League in the last few seasons, the TV money is just exacerbating the differences. Not only are Sheffield United and Burnley generating more matchday and commercial revenue than us, they're also getting 5x the TV money.

So it's a long way from being the great leveller......



......in our league at least.

The Premier League TV deal, by contrast, has now gotten so large that (in combination with the FFP rules) it is starting to smooth out some of the disparities between the Top 6 and at least the other clubs that are long-term Premier League survivors.

Hell, we've just had a transfer window in which Palace and Villa were able to turn down offers for their best players from Top 6 clubs, meanwhile Chelsea and Man U had to be net sellers in order to cut down their losses! All the while Forest and even Bournemouth have a shot in February at CL football whilst Man U and Spurs do not (unless they win the Europa League).

Which is not me saying that it's better and more even than pre-Premier League, because it isn't.
But it does seem to be better and more even than it was ten years ago.

Although it now looks like it has created a situation where the 3 promoted teams are very, very likely to go down, rather than just very likely.
 
Although it now looks like it has created a situation where the 3 promoted teams are very, very likely to go down, rather than just very likely.

Oh, undoubtedly. Turning it into a closed shop.

If you're one of the current 17 established Premier League sides, you have to be pretty inept at spending your absurd resources to get yourself relegated.
 
Flip side being if Derby can get a point at Norwich then they can get at least that at home to us.

They could always have got a result to us at home, we have only won one away game all season. We beat Norwich at home but I doubt that will have a bearing on Tuesday.

No real gap between the bottom 12 odd teams in this division for me, you just have to be well organised, have a good game plan, motivated and be on it/fight to it for as many games as possible to get the required points.
 
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