Ex-Player Napa farmed out

I think it is good news..

Shows he is progressing, Hampton & Richmond last year and now Macclesfield. No point him sitting on our bench getting splinters...
 
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Good move I reckon, sign him up and see what he can do hopefully on a more regular basis, toughen him up so to speak, then come back and show us what he has learnt.
 
He needs a good few months of regular first team action to toughen him up a bit, and the fact it will be in the Football League is ideal. It also shows he's a grade above our past youngsters who have gone to Oxford City and the like - he's going to be playing against teams like Notts County, Lincoln, Carlisle etc. Proper competitive teams in proper grounds. This is a loan that very much suggests he's being given the experience he needs but that we can't currently offer him. Throw in the new three year contract and clearly this isn't aimed at getting rid of him.
 
Berliner said:
Signing a new three-year contract is precisely the opposite of "goodbye" isn't it? Or are we hoping to sell him?
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maybe .... how many of our home grown youngsters, irrespective of length of contract theyre on in recent seasons have been loaned out, and subsequently return and make a massive impact on the first team? ..... few thats for certain.... Ashby, highly rated , now offloaded to 'city, Roberts, farmed out to a few now clubless (with an idiot agent) thats two of many examples .... Im cynical of this recent time b*****s about loan them out to get game time , we have both a youth team AND now the U23 squad so instead of farming assets out why not develop them in house? .... he, Napa , would be ideal in U23 with squad appearances in the first team , especially when injuries and suspensions take their toll..... instead let a different manager , with different ideas and ideals misuse his abilities, yeah thats a brilliant idea isnt it?
 
Seems a good deal to me he needs first team game time however if the back end of last season is anything to go by we need better now. I am one of Nappa's biggest fans he just needs experience and to bulk up this deal means we keep him after macclesfield get to develop him. I think he is a great prospect If we were loaning him out without extending his contract then i would be worried now i am less so.
 
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maybe .... how many of our home grown youngsters, irrespective of length of contract theyre on in recent seasons have been loaned out, and subsequently return and make a massive impact on the first team? ..... few thats for certain.... Ashby, highly rated , now offloaded to 'city, Roberts, farmed out to a few now clubless (with an idiot agent) thats two of many examples .... Im cynical of this recent time B*****s about loan them out to get game time , we have both a youth team AND now the U23 squad so instead of farming assets out why not develop them in house? .... he, Napa , would be ideal in U23 with squad appearances in the first team , especially when injuries and suspensions take their toll..... instead let a different manager , with different ideas and ideals misuse his abilities, yeah thats a brilliant idea isnt it?
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Oh p**s off. Regular game time in League 2 is a lot more beneficial then an U23 game,The U23 is about getting players ready for first team football,The fact Napa has been loaned out to a league 2 side suggests he is ahead of the U23s in development but not quite ready for first team and this is backed by the fact he'll be playing in a harder set of games then what the development squad will. Aslong as Robinsons here Napa will be as well.
 
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Jesus, get a grip :ROFLMAO:
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why have a new u23 set up to develop players in house, then farm em out ?



...a practice in recent seasons that has not yet resulted in a player OUFC have farmed out on loan coming 'home' and subsequently made a major impact on our first team.... I genuinely hope to be proved wrong and assets loaned out do indeed come back and establish themselves in the first team.... aint holding me breath on that, as its not happened yet with ANY player OUFC have loaned out so far!
 
RCYellowRC said:
Oh P**s off. Regular game time in League 2 is a lot more beneficial then an U23 game,The U23 is about getting players ready for first team football,The fact Napa has been loaned out to a league 2 side suggests he is ahead of the U23s in development but not quite ready for first team and this is backed by the fact he'll be playing in a harder set of games then what the development squad will. Aslong as Robinsons here Napa will be as well.
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Afternoon @RCYellowRC .... think ill avoid your invitation to p**s off, assumdly for having a different opinion to you? , but thanks for the invitation anyway ;)
adressing the non personal element of you overview, which, I have a different view of ... if, as you say U23 is about getting players ready for first team, Napa has already featured in our first team a few times, ...while hes out playing under another manager, being instructed to play to said managers ideas, ideals and tactics, as well as that particular clubs style of play, hes not (until January the earliest) availible to play for our first team....

then theres the out of sight out of mind scenario ...if said asset, playing as instructed by a different manager/ coach isnt pulling trees up at the level theyre playing at!

Personally I dont like the loan system utilised by lower league sides..... where would Kevin Brock, Joey Beauchamp, Any Thomas and many other home grown OUFC local lads have ended up if theydve been loaned out instead of nurtured in the reserve... now the incoming U23s ...and then eased into the first team? ...probably playing for Thame United, thats where (no slight intended to Thame united btw)... you @RCYellowRC evidently are a big fan of the loan system in lower leagues, Im not...I can agree to disagree ...can you?;)
 
@Sarge, players that fail to impress in lower leagues are unlikely to be kept on and tested in our first team (though Baptiste did well in Ireland)

Napa however, while not scoring/creating in the league last year, impressed Robinson. While we have great options on loan, he won't get much men's football, and U23s don't offer that.

Macclesfield will be grateful to have him and Kelleher at their disposal, and he will get a run of games to build confidence and hopefully grab some goals.

If he's effective at this level, he could be one for the future. If not, like you say, he could go the way of so many other youngsters. But we won't know until he's given the opportunity.
 
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@Sarge, players that fail to impress in lower leagues are unlikely to be kept on and tested in our first team (though Baptiste did well in Ireland)

Napa however, while not scoring/creating in the league last year, impressed Robinson. While we have great options on loan, he won't get much men's football, and U23s don't offer that.

Macclesfield will be grateful to have him and Kelleher at their disposal, and he will get a run of games to build confidence and hopefully grab some goals.

If he's effective at this level, he could be one for the future. If not, like you say, he could go the way of so many other youngsters. But we won't know until he's given the opportunity.
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Fair comment @beyondthefourth .... and well made point(s) too :)
 
We'd still be in league 2 if it wasn't for the loan system. Unless Tyrone Marsh and Aaron Woodley would have been better than Roofe, Graham, Baldock etc.
 
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Whingit said:
We'd still be in league 2 if it wasn't for the loan system. Unless Tyrone Marsh and Aaron Woodley would have been better than Roofe, Graham, Baldock etc.
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loans from Prem/ Championship squads is IMO vastly different to L1/L2 players being loaned out

Very decent point @Whingit ...... also worth considering Roofe was eventually sold to us, and sold on to Leeds, George Baldock was recalled (early) by MK and was subsequently sold on to Sheffield utd, Jordan Graham has spent most of his (injury blighted) career out on loan....albeit currently(?) back at wolves... therefore none of those three players loaned to us have firmly established themselves as an integral cog in the first team at their respective parent clubs, though all were excellent for OUFC....... maybe the current liking with some managers/coaches for the loan system will begin to bear fruit in the future?..... the way I see it ,as it stands, theres been far, far more failures than successes (granted there have been a few higher league loanees who have benifited), its especially not worked well for lower league (L1/L2) players loaned out . I hope it does change., and for the better, gotta say I DO like to see our own local lads coming through the ranks to establish themselves in the first team :)
 
Sarge said:
Afternoon @RCYellowRC .... think ill avoid your invitation to P**s off, assumdly for having a different opinion to you? , but thanks for the invitation anyway ;)
adressing the non personal element of you overview, which, I have a different view of ... if, as you say U23 is about getting players ready for first team, Napa has already featured in our first team a few times, ...while hes out playing under another manager, being instructed to play to said managers ideas, ideals and tactics, as well as that particular clubs style of play, hes not (until January the earliest) availible to play for our first team....

then theres the out of sight out of mind scenario ...if said asset, playing as instructed by a different manager/ coach isnt pulling trees up at the level theyre playing at!

Personally I dont like the loan system utilised by lower league sides..... where would Kevin Brock, Joey Beauchamp, Any Thomas and many other home grown OUFC local lads have ended up if theydve been loaned out instead of nurtured in the reserve... now the incoming U23s ...and then eased into the first team? ...probably playing for Thame United, thats where (no slight intended to Thame united btw)... you @RCYellowRC evidently are a big fan of the loan system in lower leagues, Im not...I can agree to disagree ...can you?;)
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As an aside, Joey Beauchamp did go out on loan to Swansea.
 
Sarge said:
why have a new u23 set up to develop players in house, then farm em out ?



...a practice in recent seasons that has not yet resulted in a player OUFC have farmed out on loan coming 'home' and subsequently made a major impact on our first team.... I genuinely hope to be proved wrong and assets loaned out do indeed come back and establish themselves in the first team.... aint holding me breath on that, as its not happened yet with ANY player OUFC have loaned out so far!
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...apart from Napa himself last season you mean, who we recalled and stuck in the first team 10 times?

Being loaned to a team two divisions higher is a testament to his progress.
 
Napa was good enough last season to get in our first team. This season with the new players we have, he is not. He is however too good to be in U23 games and therefore needs first team football to continue progressing. Being on loan in league 2 will accelerate that development quicker than being a fringe first team player for us. Why is this being questioned???
 
For heaven's sake....being loaned out is a long established stepping stone for young players looking to make their way in the game.
As has been said above, Joey went out on loan. So did David Beckham. And Harry Kane (four times!).

The keys to it actually been a positive part of player development, and not a route out of the club are:
1) The loan is to a level where the player is going to get experience that is not too far below and therefore relevant to the level of the parent club. So heading to Oxford City - bad sign. Heading to a League Two club - good sign.
2) The player actually gets to play week in, week out. This one we'll watch and see........

But given our signings, a loan for Napa is a no-brainer and exactly the best thing for the player and the club at this stage.
If he rips it up in League Two, then hopefully he'll be back in January and pushing for the first team squad. If he doesn't......well, maybe he isn't good enough for our first team right now.
 
AscotYellow said:
Napa was good enough last season to get in our first team. This season with the new players we have, he is not. He is however too good to be in U23 games and therefore needs first-team football to continue progressing. Being on loan in league 2 will accelerate that development quicker than being a fringe first team player for us. Why is this being questioned???
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probably me questioning it @AscotYellow ..... as it stands, ( and I've sort of explained my whys n wherefores in previous posts on this thread) I don't like how loaning out players tends to turn out , especially as our homegrown, local talent has seemed to be loaned out, maybe even loaned out again, and then offloaded.... as I've said already I really do hope loaning out assets, such as Napa, sees them return fitter, faster meaner n leaner and hungrier to break into our first team...... sadly the whole loan em out system in lower league clubs appears to very often see youngsters talked up by their manager/ coach, only then to be dispensed with 6 months or so later ...... I disagree @tonyw that being loaned out is not a long established stepping stone for players looking to make their way in the game, certainly at L1/ L2 level .... It, the loaning out, has a modicum of success for younger players on the books of Premiership and Championship clubs, only a modicum though....whereas at L1/L2 level it rarely ends well for those being loaned out ....at least that's how it has been for a while .... hopefully it'll change, and soon. ,,,,, Nothing better than seeing our own local lads coming through the ranks to become first-team regulars

For at least the time being I am suspicious of any young talent on OUFC books being loaned out .... to reiterate , I genuinely do hope KR proves me wrong by farming out young talent and they come back to both demand and command a regular first-team place....... I've not, as yet, seen much of that convinces me that L1/L2 clubs loaning players out, purportedly for experience, is good for those players.

The theory behind the loan systems is a good one, in practice IMO it's not convincing, not for me ... there again I'm an old cynic about most things anyway :)
 
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As suggested earlier, we loan players in and are panicking their parent club will recall them in January. We loan a player out and panic that he'll never play for us again.
 
I really don’t understand how anyone can moan at this.
We secure him to a long term contract which shows how highly rated the club think of him.
Having an U23 squad is great for developing players who are unknown to their first team ability and forging a pathway for the 18’s but the games aren’t the same as competitive first team matches. They don’t have the same intensity or pressure to win like a first team match does.
For Napa to develop further he needs regular first team games in a competitive league. Playing in league 2 will do that. U23 games won’t. He will come back a better player.
Remember Holmes is only here for 6 months. Napa could be ready to step it up for us once he goes.
 
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