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[chuckbert]

You can always tell someone is making a rational and sensible argument when they start making Nazi comparisons

To be fair, if you’re discussing the marginalisation and dehumanisation of dispossessed people, it’s not surprising that nazi comparisons arise.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

To be fair, if you’re discussing the marginalisation and dehumanisation of dispossessed people, it’s not surprising that nazi comparisons arise.

Yeah but that aside, it's a well known fact that any debate that even mentions the other"N word" is automatically null and void

 

[chuckbert]

Yeah but that aside, it's a well known fact that any debate that even mentions the other"N word" is automatically null and void

- even Godwin agrees

https://twitter.com/x/status/896884949634232320

 

[QR]

Why do the French security forces fail to stop the boats early and allow them to make an extremely dangerous journey?

What proportion do they stop compared to those who get afloat? If you don't know your question is meaningless.

 

[QR]

You can always tell someone is making a rational and sensible argument when they start making Nazi comparisons

The only problem is the demonisation of minorities stands comparison.

If people try and excuse this behaviour we know were it might end up.

 

[Essexyellows]

What proportion do they stop compared to those who get afloat? If you don't know your question is meaningless.

Interesting article on the BBC about that.

French police chap saying if they stop 2,3,4,5 or 6 boats then 1 or 2 will get through and those are what we hear about not the ones they stop.

The resources are there to process people on both sides of the Channel and then have a ferry on a loop bringing in legitimate people and returning those that fail.

Anyone arriving by illicit means gets returned by default.

A perfect mix of carrot and stick and it is safer.

 

[MC Yellow]

How much do you think our government should budget for stopping people leaving our country?

To be fair that is an unreasonable comparison.

People who leave the UK do so without risking their lives in a dingy.

 

[chuckbert]

To be fair that is an unreasonable comparison.

People who leave the UK do so without risking their lives in a dingy.

Not sure I agree that it’s unreasonable. But anyway, how much do you think the french government should budget to stop people leaving their country?

 

[MC Yellow]

Not sure I agree that it’s unreasonable. But anyway, how much do you think the french government should budget to stop people leaving their country?

Absolutely no idea.. but it has to be a shared cost with the UK, granted.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Interesting article on the BBC about that.

French police chap saying if they stop 2,3,4,5 or 6 boats then 1 or 2 will get through and those are what we hear about not the ones they stop.

The resources are there to process people on both sides of the Channel and then have a ferry on a loop bringing in legitimate people and returning those that fail.

Anyone arriving by illicit means gets returned by default.

A perfect mix of carrot and stick and it is safer.

So the French are doing a bloody good job then if they are stopping 6 out of every 8 boats



Such a shame everything is focused on the minority (in more ways than one).

 

[Essexyellows]

So the French are doing a bloody good job then if they are stopping 6 out of every 8 boats



Such a shame everything is focused on the minority (in more ways than one).

Found it......

200 were prevented but 600 made it on that night the BBC was there although that is a very microscopic view on one night.

 

[Wandering Yellow]

Are these migrants mainly in France legally or illegally? And if so how did they get to France?

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Found it......

200 were prevented but 600 made it on that night the BBC was there although that is a very microscopic view on one night.

Such a shame that Pritti useless still hasn't twigged that threats and hostility do not work.

Mind you we shouldn't be that surprised as she refused to accept the findings of the report into her bullying (which, by the by, will be the subject of further investigation before too long)

 

[Essexyellows]

Such a shame that Pritti useless still hasn't twigged that threats and hostility do not work.

Mind you we shouldn't be that surprised as she refused to accept the findings of the report into her bullying (which, by the by, will be the subject of further investigation before too long)

One person's "bullying" is another's "robust discussion".

Anyway the French rescinded her invite for the last meeting so they aren`t exactly playing along....

 

[Marked Ox]

One person's "bullying" is another's "robust discussion".

Anyway the French rescinded her invite for the last meeting so they aren`t exactly playing along....

Really on the first?

You need to blame Johnson for his 'foot in the mouth diplomatic approach' and publishing his letter to all to see before the meeting for the 2nd one.

 

[Oxymoron]

Such a shame that Pritti useless still hasn't twigged that threats and hostility do not work

Surely the refugees are fleeing their countries because of threats and hostility.....

 

[Wandering Yellow]

Surely the refugees are fleeing their countries because of threats and hostility.....

They're fleeing the safety of France because they have a second cousin who lives here and English is their first language, or something. We have plenty of immigrants from French speaking African countries and they don't seem to be trying to flee the UK to get to France.

There are safe and legal routes to the UK. We can't just have an open door policy particularly when covid is around and there is a huge housing shortage. How are these migrants getting to France in the first place? If they are entering France illegally surely it's France who need to clamp down on that?

 

[Marked Ox]

They're fleeing the safety of France because they have a second cousin who lives here and English is their first language, or something. We have plenty of immigrants from French speaking African countries and they don't seem to be trying to flee the UK to get to France.

There are safe and legal routes to the UK. We can't just have an open door policy particularly when covid is around and there is a huge housing shortage. How are these migrants getting to France in the first place? If they are entering France illegally surely it's France who need to clamp down on that?

Talk us through these safe and legal routes?

 

[chuckbert]

We have plenty of immigrants from French speaking African countries and they don't seem to be trying to flee the UK to get to France.

Interesting. How many do we have? How many “flee” to France through official routes?

 

[Sheik djibouti]

It is still a significantly smaller number than other countries in Europe are taking and miniscule compared to countries neighbouring displaced populations.

Still...a few people freezing in a dinghy makes for awfully good pictorial/TV news, so that's why it has become such a big issue (not to mention a useful distraction for the government from their numerous other serious shortcomings/incompetence). If only someone had a useful diagram of how to turn a molehill into a mountain....[emoji6]

So if we provide safe and legal routes (and no they do not really exist) for people to enter and these people are coming to be economically active (which is overwhelmingly the case)...whilst we have a labour shortage.... where's the problem?

Don't fall for all this "we're full up" nonsense. That makes no sense. We cannot fill jobs and we don't have enough people willing to be economically active in the UK to fill them here already (and lord knows we still need to fill the gap left by Brexit)......and guess what, the Treasury will also be a winner too.

The only downside I can see is for those who don't want anyone forrin coming here "stealing our jobs" (the ones we can't be arsed to do in the first place)...and the underlying reasons for that mindset are numerous and often rather unpleasant.