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See what positive football does, Hearts v Rangers! Get’s the home crowd behind you.
Makes me angry how f*****g negative we’ve played this season!
Some say you cannot question the effort this season, but I could!
The outgoings are the key this summer, even more than the incomings.
Cardiff have a cat 2 academy so it's hardly surprising that they are able to bring through more academy players than we can. We aspire to having a cat 2 academy but it's a way away yet, so until then we have to accept that our academy players are less likely to make the breakthrough than at somewhere like CardiffOn Cardiff's approach, we've got to learn from the trust they put in academy players.
Maybe they had a bigger pool, and more who were further along, but it's been the saving grace of their relegation.
There's a long list of academy graduates who were given minutes, but three players stand out because they've really come through, and are all now full internationals having had very few chances in the Championship.
I say this partly because our assistant manager has a glowing reputation as an academy coach (at Birmingham) and also as senior coach (at Sunderland) with a club that has enjoyed a lot of success by investing in their youth players.
- Lawlor, who had made 1 league appearance for Cardiff, has had 32 this season.
- Joel Colwill, who had played 2 league games for them, was given 39 this season.
- Kpakio had 3 league appearances (including a Kassam assist) and 33 this season.
I've seen some people laying into Dodds, but isn't he exactly the bloke you want behind the scenes right now?
The last game was so annoying as there was nothing to lose, but we still remained soo negative. 2000+ fans turn up and we just sat back and made no real attempt to play on the front foot.At times it was almost like there was another side on the pitch, and sometimes it even felt like *they* were trying to beat *us*.
Madness, I tell you. All this 'trying not to concede' stuff is so bloody woke!
I'd much rather of lost every game 8-2, but given it a go. Bloody cowards! Get it forward! Not like that!
Is it us letting teams dominate us or just the fact we don’t have enough quality in the side to dominate teams?The last game was so annoying as there was nothing to lose, but we still remained soo negative. 2000+ fans turn up and we just sat back and made no real attempt to play on the front foot.
I actually didn’t think Millwall were all that great, and didn’t really have anything to play for once they knew Ipswich were winning 2-0, but obviously they wanted to remain professional/keep the momentum going for the play-offs etc. We allowed them to dominate as we’ve done for a lot of games e.g. not having much possession, shots on goal, crosses and being so negative etc.
I just wished we’d bloody gone for it, showed intent, attacked and wouldn’t have minded losing if we’d tried that rather than just going out with a whimper! Disappointing, but I’ve come to expect that from safe Bloomfield.
Is it us letting teams dominate us or just the fact we don’t have enough quality in the side to dominate teams?
I think we have to get the fullbacks to overlap the winger e.g. ter Avest and Spencer who I think are capable of doing this, but we never see it. It makes the opposition think e.g. who picks up these players, forcing them to drop deeper and puts them on the back foot. It also enables the midfield to get up the pitch and get closer to the forward(s).Is it us letting teams dominate us or just the fact we don’t have enough quality in the side to dominate teams?
For me, our failure to compete in the Championship is down to poor recruitment. Rowett tried against Stoke at home to be more attacking and on the front foot and we just got picked off by them.
We also did it very effectively with Des on many occasions and if we thought this season’s squad was short of quality, what chance did he have?The former.
People seem to have conveniently forgotten the times (such as Coventry at home, all the way back in August) when we've gone toe-to-toe with the better sides at this level.
It can be done, it has been done. We just didn't try to do it enough.
Is it us letting teams dominate us or just the fact we don’t have enough quality in the side to dominate teams?
For me, our failure to compete in the Championship is down to poor recruitment. Rowett tried against Stoke at home to be more attacking and on the front foot and we just got picked off by them.
That’s the concern about him, he didn’t have to play it safe.Bloomfield had to play it safe so as to try and stay up but now we are in league one I think he will play an entirely different way , attacking football I hope !
On Cardiff's approach, we've got to learn from the trust they put in academy players.
Maybe they had a bigger pool, and more who were further along, but it's been the saving grace of their relegation.
There's a long list of academy graduates who were given minutes, but three players stand out because they've really come through, and are all now full internationals - having had very few chances in the Championship.
I say this partly because our assistant manager has a glowing reputation as an academy coach (at Birmingham) and also as senior coach (at Sunderland) with a club that has enjoyed a lot of success by investing in their youth players.
- Lawlor, who had made 1 league appearance for Cardiff, has had 32 this season.
- Joel Colwill, who had played 2 league games for them, was given 39 this season.
- Kpakio had 3 league appearances (including a Kassam assist) and 33 this season.
I've seen some people laying into Dodds, but isn't he exactly the bloke you want behind the scenes right now?
It was one of Luton fans main concern about him when he got them relegated too, e.g game against West Brom he went completely negative assuming other results would fall for them. They didn’t…That’s the concern about him, he didn’t have to play it safe.
I'm struggling to actually see what is MB (& Dodds) style of footballI think we have to get the fullbacks to overlap the winger e.g. ter Avest and Spencer who I think are capable of doing this, but we never see it. It makes the opposition think e.g. who picks up these players, forcing them to drop deeper and puts them on the back foot. It also enables the midfield to get up the pitch and get closer to the forward(s).
It’s very tiring both mentally and physically to continually be on the back foot defending with the ball constantly coming back at you. It would have been nice to have a bit of the ball, make the opposition work with pass & move etc.
I believe that we did had a nucleus of 14-16 players throughout the season that could have done this, but agree that the recruitment was found wanting too.
I just truly feel we could and should have made a better account of ourselves which is the most disappointing thing that led to relegation.
We just became so predictable which in turn meant no one feared us, mainly because we were so negative, had very limited chances on target etc, so basically allowed the opposition to play with freedom and without fear.
I was so hoping that Bloomfield would have ripped up that negative football book that we’d come to see under Rowett, but I think he just put in in the waste bin and he glanced over at that bin and took it out too often to refer to it, and that’s why I do not believe he’s the man to take us back up.
He’s interviews are so cliche e.g. I know what needs addressing and we will address etc, but nothing changed and still made the fundamental mistakes he said he’d address. He also said he’d learnt by his mistakes at Luton and things would be different here, but they weren’t. Based on this, he feels a bit of a fraud to me!
Rowett was brought in last season to keep us up/in the Championship which he achieved, hence him starting as the manager at the beginning on the 25/26 season, but there were concerns about his style of football etc. Whereas, Bloomfield failed to meet his first objective (keep us up), and there are concerns about his style of football, plus he failed at Luton, so the question I would be asking is, have we learnt as a club?
That’s the concern about him, he didn’t have to play it safe.
But that was our best chance. As others have said we just got picked off in games where we went to gung ho. I think there is a balance and in certain games - Charlton away for example - the points were sitting there for us with just a bit more intent to our play but in others - QPR at home I think was one of them - you could see they were miles better than us despite it on paper looking a very winnable game. Our best option over two championship campaigns has been to stay in games and go toe to toe in the last quarter and I think that’s about where we are as a championship team. We just aren’t good enough to go at teams from minute one, you can see it so clearly that the players just aren’t at that level.
The thing I feel people overlook is our very low percentage successful pass rate. If you can't pass the ball to a team mate the possession stats will inevitably be low regardless of tactical set up. Teams press us, we lose the ball and so on. Quite often attacking moves break down for the same reason.Think of it this way - in two seasons, how many games did we have like Stoke where we got battered for playing more attacking and how many games did we have where we played excellently when we were on the front foot?
Recruitment was part of the problem, but being so negative for no f*****g reason apart from incompetent management was another.
Tend to agree. We were normally overrun in midfield. Up front we were poor.But that was our best chance. As others have said we just got picked off in games where we went to gung ho. I think there is a balance and in certain games - Charlton away for example - the points were sitting there for us with just a bit more intent to our play but in others - QPR at home I think was one of them - you could see they were miles better than us despite it on paper looking a very winnable game. Our best option over two championship campaigns has been to stay in games and go toe to toe in the last quarter and I think that’s about where we are as a championship team. We just aren’t good enough to go at teams from minute one, you can see it so clearly that the players just aren’t at that level.
Part of this is because we don't try and keep the ball. Teams who knock it around the back playing low risk passes will have a high pass completion rate. We don't want to do that, so play higher tariff passes. So to an extent it will be by design rather than an indicator of not being good enough. Although in our case I think both things are true.The thing I feel people overlook is our very low percentage successful pass rate. If you can't pass the ball to a team mate the possession stats will inevitably be low regardless of tactical set up. Teams press us, we lose the ball and so on. Quite often attacking moves break down for the same reason.
Tend to agree. We were normally overrun in midfield. Up front we were poor.
'Going for it' against some teams could have meant some real batterings.
At times it seemed to me that we wanted to offer more going forwards but weren't good enough.
Now in L1 things will be very different and at home especially, quite a few teams will come to defend with a very low block. We need to be far far better going forward
It’s not just a case of either being completely defensive or going gung ho, it’s a bit of both e.g. sure, if you’re under the cosh against the better teams, then sure you may have to stay tight/more defensive, but against teams (Charlton, Hull, Wrexham, Birmingham etc) which are fairly equal and not putting us under pressure, then you can be more attack minded and shift the pendulum, especially at home. It doesn’t have to be either or!But that was our best chance. As others have said we just got picked off in games where we went to gung ho. I think there is a balance and in certain games - Charlton away for example - the points were sitting there for us with just a bit more intent to our play but in others - QPR at home I think was one of them - you could see they were miles better than us despite it on paper looking a very winnable game. Our best option over two championship campaigns has been to stay in games and go toe to toe in the last quarter and I think that’s about where we are as a championship team. We just aren’t good enough to go at teams from minute one, you can see it so clearly that the players just aren’t at that level.
With a new chairman in place, who has pretty obviously been bought in because we got relegated, then I would say Bloomfield has better get off to a good start else he will be gone.
That's if he even makes the start of the season. Serbians are a pretty ruthless lot.
Of course playing all open is exactly what these teams in the championship want you to do, because from what I could see they’ve all got players that will just pick you off.That’s the concern about him, he didn’t have to play it safe.