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Current Player Thread Marselino Ferdinan

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28.Marselino Ferdinan

Position: Winger
Nationality: Indonesia 🇮🇩
Departed: DATE
Previous Clubs: Trenčín (Loan), Deinze, Persebaya Surabaya
 
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Berliner said:
Difficult to say, we're going to have to gauge it the same as a young player with a League One loan. If he tears it up, then great.
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That's a fair point. I think people sometimes forget he's still young. In fact, there are just two months separating Marselino, Golding, O'Donkor and Johnson in age - and no-one would write off the others for this sort of loan.

My main issue is that if he were a genuine prospect, and a player we are looking to develop toward our first team, then (as with the other three) a Football League loan would be more appropriate in developing him (particularly physically and pace of play) for our level.

Unfortunately this feels (with the Indo-Dutch connections at AS Trenčín) like another footballing favour and/or 'for the instagram'...
 
TheDukeOfBanburyshire said:
Beginning of the end, I'd assume. He's never going to be good enough in my opinion.
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Based on what? He's played well at international level and didn’t look lost in the one league game he played for us last season, winning a couple of free kicks and generally doing ok. He’s 20, plenty of time for him to develop…
 
Isle of Wight Yellow said:
Based on what? He's played well at international level and didn’t look lost in the one league game he played for us last season, winning a couple of free kicks and generally doing ok. He’s 20, plenty of time for him to develop…
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Based on my opinion. Time will tell, but I can't see him pulling up any trees for us at any time.
 
Under The Cuckoo Lane said:
The lad needs to play, I hope he does well there and comes back ready and has a chance with us.
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My theory, such as it is, is that he doesn’t really need to play much, he’s in the west for the coaching and fitness training to enable his international career.
 
Carpy said:
We won't have Indonesian owners by the time he comes back from his loan.
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I beg your pardon? I suspect there’s a few people of a certain kind who’d be pleased about that, but there’s no indication of it happening.
 
What's the betting that our good friend vcool pops up pretty quickly on the AS Trenčín's fans' forum?
 
Isle of Wight Yellow said:
I understand what an opinion is. I guess I was asking what is your opinion based on? What did you use to form it?
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Well, nothing more than gut feeling, of course. How else do you judge a player's current and potential ability? 😉

Admittedly, the data pool is pretty limited isn't it. But, when I've seen him in the flesh when he's made substitute appearances, he's not really had any moments to make me think there's a player in there.

Happy to be proven wrong, of course.
 
Seem to be rumours about new ownership, is it guesswork or talk coming from anyone on the know?

I know nothing but just intrigued, they have been here a while and the ownership changes in football clubs, so it’s not a wild, out there idea, perhaps strange timing with the ground situation though.
 
holdsteady said:
Seem to be rumours about new ownership, is it guesswork or talk coming from anyone on the know?

I know nothing but just intrigued, they have been here a while and the ownership changes in football clubs, so it’s not a wild, out there idea, perhaps strange timing with the ground situation though.
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Depends on what their motive was from the start and how that’s changed - their appetite may be more or less now. It’s taken longer and cost more money and promotion means it just got even more expensive to sustain us without a serious shift towards a player sales model.

They scooped up a dangling club with a certain route to profit (stadium approval) without actually needing to climb the divisions, and they’ve secured that + a bonus of promotion. Quite understandable if he wanted to take his financial win and leave the really costly stuff coming up to someone else.

Not a clue whether it’s just rumour and only that, but I can certainly see why that option would be considered.
 
Carpy said:
There are more than enough indicators of it in my opinion.
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That’s interesting @Carpy . What makes you say that? The two salient points are that (I) if you believe the transfer budget was cut then does that indicate a loss of interest/ appetite for risk and (ii) that weird share dilution thing that I don’t claim to understand.

It does seem like a weird time to sell having got planning permission on the stadium though.
 
holdsteady said:
Seem to be rumours about new ownership, is it guesswork or talk coming from anyone on the know?

I know nothing but just intrigued, they have been here a while and the ownership changes in football clubs, so it’s not a wild, out there idea, perhaps strange timing with the ground situation though.
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Every football club is for sale, at the right price, and we're no different.

As @Toe knee says above look at DC United and Inter Milan, where Erick went in and developed each club in different ways, including a new stadium in DC's case. If I remember rightly David Garth, who was one of the four man stadium team that I was in, said that while he was at Inter with Erick, they were trying to get a new stadium, and I think they'd progressed the plans to a point whereby an exit made sense, both strategically and financially.

That's not to say that they are necessarily hawking the club around (although that wouldn't be too much of stretch) but club owners are always getting approaches, and any experienced owner (which Erick is) would have an exit strategy and price. Tim Williams himself has said on more than one occasion that there are a lot of Americans out there who are very interested in buying English clubs at our level, and that's where I'd expect our next owners to come from.

The Americans have an interesting method of valuing clubs, which is a multiplier of revenue, rather than profit. MLS clubs, and in fact any American sports franchise, fetch very high prices, often more than ten times revenue, which is what makes English clubs attractive to them. They can buy an EFL club for between two and four times revenue, and in our case, if we assume a revenue of about £20m now it makes us worth about £60m, taking the average. £60m would give Erick, and the others, their money back, with possibly a little on top.

With planning permission assured, a private equity outfit from the States could quite easily take a medium/long term view and say OK, £60m buy in with another £120m on top to build the stadium (some of the stadium costs already sit in the debt within the accounts) and then some investment on top, and in five years time they could have a Brentford, Bournemouth, or Brighton on their hands, worth £500m+.

It's not as fanciful as it sounds, and planning permission could be the game changer.
 
There aren't any Indonesian -Dutch links at AS Trenčín. They are owned by Tschen La Ling a Dutch Chinese ex player who used to play for Ajax. Marselino is the only Indonesian player they have had as far as I can see
 
Colin B said:
The Americans have an interesting method of valuing clubs, which is a multiplier of revenue, rather than profit. MLS clubs, and in fact any American sports franchise, fetch very high prices, often more than ten times revenue, which is what makes English clubs attractive to them. They can buy an EFL club for between two and four times revenue, and in our case, if we assume a revenue of about £20m now it makes us worth about £60m, taking the average. £60m would give Erick, and the others, their money back, with possibly a little on top.

With planning permission assured, a private equity outfit from the States could quite easily take a medium/long term view and say OK, £60m buy in with another £120m on top to build the stadium (some of the stadium costs already sit in the debt within the accounts) and then some investment on top, and in five years time they could have a Brentford, Bournemouth, or Brighton on their hands, worth £500m+.
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If that is their logic, though, they're kind of idiots (though I'm not disagreeing with you that must be the thinking......can't explain why it's happening over and over again any other way).

Because to reach that £500m+ valuation, the club is going to have to not only get to the Premier League but get established there like the three clubs you name. Meaning that they will have to outperform another twenty or so clubs on the field - all of whom generate larger matchday and commercial revenues than we'll even likely be able to achieve at the Triangle. Possible? Yes. Probable? No. That's the difference between a closed-shop US system where the bulk of the revenues in MLS are guaranteed year-on-year, and a genuinely competitive pyramid system like Europe operates. The upside may still be there, but the risk is stratospheric by comparison.

If I was thinking purely with my head (and not my heart), and I had £60m burning a hole in my pocket, I'd probably see it as a better bet to head down the racetrack and lump it on Dobbin Goes Fast at 5-1 than buy a Championship football club!
 
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