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Current Player Marselino Ferdinan
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Where pre-season games are used as an example, just mention Jamie Guy.
LeftSideBoy
Yellow Army Member
So it was! I stand corrected..
Pre season friendlies are pretty irrelevant from a result ( even performance for the first few games) perspective.
I know a couple of people who went to Mansfield and were very worried about our chances in the Championship, based on how much better Mansfield were in that game.
holdsteady
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How many Serie b and Palermo games have you watched since then?
SirAndyOfCrosby
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Not remotely comparable.
South Korea and Japan have been regularly qualifying for World Cups for 40 and 30 years respectively (when it was an achievement to do so, too).
It's taken time for the top Koreans to playing for Bayern, PSG, Spurs and throughout the Bundesliga. Likewise Japanese players starting and excelling for top half PL sides.
By contrast, the Indonesian team is still largely made up of 3rd generation Indonesians who are Dutch born and raised, and have had (at best) modest careers at bang average Dutch or Belgian clubs.
You've just casually lumped countries together, it's no more useful than "you think of the quality of Colombian and Chilean players I think there’s no reason why Guatemala shouldn’t be next".
That's not to say that an individual can't break out from an otherwise 'lesser' footballing nation, but to suggest that Indonesia is on the cusp of producing a plethora of top talent any time soon is very wishful thinking.
MateoCorbo'sTackle
Active member
Back to Marselino - he's quite a decent finisher, isn't he? Just saying.
chuckbert
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One counter argument on this is that Indonesia have a massive population compared to Japan or Korea (>2x Japan and 5x Korea) whereas Guatemala is smaller than both Colombia (1/3x) and chile (only just smaller).
Having a big population can help you improve fast if the investment is done right.
Oufccraig45
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Des won't know until he plays him looks quite decent and knows where the goal (wonder why he isn't getting any game time when they're are a few that are struggling atm)
coldhunter
New member
This kid is the biggest talent in Asia. It's crazy he hasn't gotten a chance yet. I'm so excited to see him play in a championship.
SirAndyOfCrosby
Well-known member
Yes, but there'll still struggle to compete with those footballing powerhouses *checks notes* India and China...
Culture (and that takes considerable time to develop) is more important than population. See Croatia and Uruguay.
My argument is that they are not yet even producing their own players for half the national team. If you have a population of nearly 300m and still need to use the grandfather rule to put out a competitive side than it would suggest you're a way off producing the required quality any time soon...
holdsteady
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Other than Brazil none of the top countries by population have done much in the worlds most popular sport. Which also shows you need it to be a very popular sport and also have the infrastructure as you have said. They seem to like football in Indonesia though so if they can get the organisation and infrastructure right then they could be an emerging nation, take a while though.
Just out of interest, how much have you seen of Marselino?
Just that if you saw Mark Harris in the first 8 to 8 games this season, you may say that he was a fantastic finisher. Over the next 7 games? Some are suggesting that he is a poor finisher.
Grumpy Git
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Des will play him when he’s ready.
coldhunter
New member
Population size doesn't guarantee producing great players. But from what I've seen, Indonesia is a country that truly loves football. If this child succeeds, we might see a significant increase in popularity and revenue. Who knows, they could become the next Son Heung-min or Kubo.
I suspect that Des doesn't think j that he is ready to play in the first team ( and our formation has changed whereby we are playing with wing backs rather than wingers).
Manning didn't rate Murphy, and you could argue that he was wrong ( he would probably suggest that Murphy didn't fit his system).
So who knows whether Des is right, but I am not sure about you, but I have only seen a very small amount of highlights.
coldhunter
New member
He has a natural talent for the game, and I think he could go far. I have faith that he will excel as a player. If not in this team, then he'll find his place elsewhere."
MateoCorbo'sTackle
Active member
The answer you're probably expecting, which is "the stuff off of Youtube".
It's a limited sample size but it does show he has decent composure. Re. Harris at the start of this season - I don't think I'd look at that and say he was an overly good finisher. Finishing in my mind requires composure (caveat - I'm not having a go with the below but I'm just being honest):
Norwich - scuffed it a bit, might have been a bit lucky to beat Gunn
Coventry - off his knob, no composure required
Blackburn - wonder goal, but was about technique rather than composure
Preston - great header, but was instinctive
Misses under pressure: Bristol C, Swansea, Watford.
What I'm (maybe doing a bad job of) getting at is that we are struggling for goals from our front men, save for Scarlett, and perhaps we have someone in our ranks who deserves a shot in a match environment, based on his attributes.
Granted, Des sees him in training, but if he's being held back because he's "not ready", I'm not sure how anyone, even Des, can actually qualify that.
I guess that Des and the coaching team are paid to make decisions based on what they see every day rather than a few clips on you tube?
Marselino has done himself no harm against Saudi. He probably won't be fit enough to start tomorrow, but let's see what happens in the next few weeks .
It appears to me that Des has changed system because he doesn't think that in Marselino, Dale, Malcolm, we have enough.
holdsteady
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He won't be starting but if we are behind and need a goal I doubt he has done himself any harm, might be enough to get him on the bench and a run out near the end with what he did during the week against the Saudis?
m
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No, it's not the 5th best league in the world because it just obviously isn't.