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Don't normally post on these sort of things, but I've been watching live footage of this incident since it started, and I have to say hats off to the members of the public that waded in and overpowered the knifeman. Heroes every one of them.

This is what being British stands for, we will not be beaten by cowardly terrorists!
 
Colin B said:
Don't normally post on these sort of things, but I've been watching live footage of this incident since it started, and I have to say hats off to the members of the public that waded in and overpowered the knifeman. Heroes every one of them.

This is what being British stands for, we will not be beaten by cowardly terrorists!
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Indeed very brave especially as the attacker was apparently wearing a fake bomb vest, not that they would have known it was fake at the time..
 
Peterdev said:
I’ve always thought that its a shame that the terrorists don't get lynched. that would be a great deterrent
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Seeing the video, those tackling him weren't holding back when disarming him of the knife understandably but it wasn't over the top. This is based on YouTube videos from a couple of buses.

I'm not into capital punishment though as part of a justice system as it is just retribution imo, it isn't a deterrent* at all. Plus, it plays into their martyrs narrative. Better to let them rot in a maximum security prison.

*The death penalty isn't a deterrent in the US for instance.
 
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Pete Burrett said:
Precisely. It would be no deterrent at all. We don't know who the attacker was yet. If he was an Islamic fundamentalist he'd probably be looking forward to his rewards in the afterlife. If he was a random nutter - possibly with mental health problems - then the ramifications of his actions were unlikely to have been at the forefront of his mind.
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Pete Burrett said:
Precisely. It would be no deterrent at all. We don't know who the attacker was yet. If he was an Islamic fundamentalist he'd probably be looking forward to his rewards in the afterlife. If he was a random nutter - possibly with mental health problems - then the ramifications of his actions were unlikely to have been at the forefront of his mind.
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The old ' mental health' excuse is wearing a little thin
 
What do you mean „the old mental health excuse“

Are you saying that people don’t ever have violent delusions which might cause them to attack strangers without being in full command of their faculties ?

Are you a psychiatrist or mental health professional? Or are you talking out of your a**e?
 
YellowTaxi said:
What do you mean „the old mental health excuse“

Are you saying that people don’t ever have violent delusions which might cause them to attack strangers without being in full command of their faculties ?

Are you a psychiatrist or mental health professional? Or are you talking out of your a**e?
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Its just quite suprising how many random mental health sufferers have recently started shouting ala akbar and stabbing/ running over etc non believers . Hard to stomach but seems like an excuse to not confront a real danger in our Country.
 
Pete Burrett said:
Evidence? How many Islamic terrorists killed in the course if their attacks have subsequently been diagnosed as having had mental health issues? None that I can remember. No-one's making excuses.
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I just think its said to deflect away from a difficult subject but which we should be open about for all of the peaceful, law abiding citizens of this country.
 
Pete Burrett said:
You're not making any sense. Who's deflecting away from a difficult subject? Fact is, the attacker could have had any number of reasons for doing what he did, or no logical reason at all. IF the attacker had mental health issues that would be a fact, not a distraction or excuse of any sort.

We all realise that whoever the attacker was he wasn't a 'peaceful, law abiding citizen'. What we don't know is who he was and what his motive was.
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Bet you he had been down the mosque recently , like the guy in the hague now . Or the previous London bridge attack ...or any number of attacks across Europe but the same inspired religious zealots ....
 
Pete Burrett said:
Quite possibly he was an Islamic extremist. No-one's disputing that. But what if he was someone with mental health issues? Would you still see that as an 'excuse' rather than a fact?
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No I wouldn't,
Pete Burrett said:
Quite possibly he was an Islamic extremist. No-one's disputing that. But what if he was someone with mental health issues? Would you still see that as an 'excuse' rather than a fact?
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No , in the unlikely event a mental health sufferer ( they are much more likely to harm theirselves) done this then of course not.
 
BristolOx said:
Moving away from the random xenophobic outburst going on on this thread.
Disgusting fake news is also being spread about this too.

www.independent.co.uk

A fake Jeremy Corbyn tweet about the London Bridge attack is being circulated on social media

Labour confirms image is doctored
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

Maybe this should be in the GE thread but my God how low some people will stoop.
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More offended by a very pathetic tweet than innocent people being attacked. ? I agree its very low and disgusting whoever made that though.
 
Thomas/Brock/Jones said:
More offended by a very pathetic tweet than innocent people being attacked. ? I agree its very low and disgusting whoever made that though.
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You're right in the fact maybe I should have at least addressed the content on the thread & praised the bravery of the police and the civilians who put their lives on the line to stop someone from terrorising the people of London.

I stand by my view that trying to categorise all forms of terrorism as the efforts of religious extremism is wrong and a reflection of religious discrimination (previously I said xenophobia which is actually incorrect).
 
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Pete Burrett said:
Quite possibly he was an Islamic extremist. No-one's disputing that. But what if he was someone with mental health issues? Would you still see that as an 'excuse' rather than a fact?
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Isn’t anyone who goes on a murderous rampage suffering from some sort of extreme mental disorder? It’s hardly a sane thing to do.
 
holdsteady said:
Isn’t anyone who goes on a murderous rampage suffering from some sort of extreme mental disorder? It’s hardly a sane thing to do.
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Yes not in there right mind but they are the ones they search for to radicalise. Scum of the earth
 
holdsteady said:
If innocent people under attack in this situation have to kill the attackers then so be it, better than one decent, innocent persons life being lost. Fair play to those who did it today, they are levels above the cowards who stand their filming it on their phones.
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I totally agree with the first part of your post, however on the last sentence I have to say that some people just do not have it in them to fight, let alone try to disarm a crazed knife man. I reckon most of us on here would probably have got involved to stop the guy but I still wouldn’t call someone a coward if they couldn’t do it.
 
Oldham said:
I totally agree with the first part of your post, however on the last sentence I have to say that some people just do not have it in them to fight, let alone try to disarm a crazed knife man. I reckon most of us on here would probably have got involved to stop the guy but I still wouldn’t call someone a coward if they couldn’t do it.
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It was originally reported that there was a fight, rather than it being a terrorist incident. Many crimes now rely on mobile phone footage for evidence, so even those stood filming may have felt that they were in fact doing some good.

It's not normal to see extremely violence and run towards it. I've worked in the prison service for nearly 25 years and have seen some horrendous things, and worked with some incredibly brave people. But people can still freeze or misread the seriousness of a situation. They are not cowards, they are human.
 
bashamwonderland said:
Agreed, imagine four or five members of the public putting him to death before the police got to him. What a show of public strength that would be.
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"Putting him to death"?

What we saw was members of the public disarming and restraining someone who had stabbed a number of people and was wearing what appeared to be a suicide vest. They did this by using minimal force.

I would suggest that this is a much greater show of public strength.
 
Scotchegg said:
It was originally reported that there was a fight, rather than it being a terrorist incident. Many crimes now rely on mobile phone footage for evidence, so even those stood filming may have felt that they were in fact doing some good.

It's not normal to see extremely violence and run towards it. I've worked in the prison service for nearly 25 years and have seen some horrendous things, and worked with some incredibly brave people. But people can still freeze or misread the seriousness of a situation. They are not cowards, they are human.
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That is what I said, the person I was replying to was calling them cowards not me.
 
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