League 1 - Bolton, Bury & Coventry

Cass63 said:
In a perfect world sky and BT would pull their money out of the premiership and championship, then we could all laugh at the shitstorm that followed.
Also, didn’t bury pump a fortune into a shot at promotion last year and end up relegated?
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season before last wasnt it? ... Maguire went to Bury ( we had the fokussed Catalan in charge), and inevitably scored for Bury against us when we played them that season
 
Sarge said:
season before last wasnt it? ... Maguire went to Bury ( we had the fokussed Catalan in charge), and inevitably scored for Bury against us when we played them that season
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Joe Skarz as well. both him and Maguire seriously disliked by their fans. thought they were good for us so was surprised to read some of the comments on their forum
 
AbbeyOx said:
Joe Skarz as well. both him and Maguire seriously disliked by their fans. thought they were good for us so was surprised to read some of the comments on their forum
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And another defender … Edwards? They took 3 of our players that summer.
 
thegrumpyporter said:
www.theboltonnews.co.uk

Bolton and Bury fans look to challenge EFL points deductions

FANS groups for both Wanderers and Bury say they plan to appeal point deductions imposed on the clubs in League One this season.
www.theboltonnews.co.uk www.theboltonnews.co.uk
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can’t see how they can hope to have decision overturned, in both cases.
although totally unfair on the fans of both clubs, they have gone into administration and-12 points is the penalty.
just hope the efl tighten up their procedures for vetting potential owners otherwise can only see more clubs getting into trouble.
feel sorry for both sets of fans though
 
AbbeyOx said:
can’t see how they can hope to have decision overturned, in both cases.
although totally unfair on the fans of both clubs, they have gone into administration and-12 points is the penalty.
just hope the efl tighten up their procedures for vetting potential owners otherwise can only see more clubs getting into trouble.
feel sorry for both sets of fans though
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I would argue in Bury's case they gained while not paying their bills as they had a team that they couldn't pay and got promoted. Bury are lucky they weren't stopped from bring promoted. In other countries both would have been relegated automatically a number of leagues. Bolton were also in financial woe when they got promoted from L1 so I have no sympathy.

Frankly, both have far more important things to focus on like actually making the season.

This is the outcome of letting Blackpool off, all clubs/fans now think they are a special case/unique.

While it is with 'the grace of god' etc, they aren't unique, they aren't special and in recent seasons both gained at the expense of others, so a 12 point deduction in reality is a soft penalty.
 
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Agree with Markedox.
This was the inevitable consequence of the decision to let Blackpool off.
The league have to be careful on the punishment to Bolton for not playing their game as a precedent will be set there too.
 
Foley said:
Agree with Markedox.
This was the inevitable consequence of the decision to let Blackpool off.
The league have to be careful on the punishment to Bolton for not playing their game as a precedent will be set there too.
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It is absolutely not fair on the loyal fans of lower league teams that are let down by poor owners, to have to be essentially halfway to relegation before the first ball is kicked.

But if you let the punishments slide, it is not fair on the owners of clubs who put in a lot of effort to be sustainable in a competition where the rewards for taking the big punt on promotion can be so lucrative.
 
If either of these two teams goes bust, grassroots football is dead. Many more will follow. EFL supporters need to unite and put some real pressure on the knobs holding the keys. Club wages should always be covered by EFL/FA and it is not on to go 20 weeks without pay. It is the EFL that the players are striking against I think, not their clubs. What is the EFL other than a hospital which takes millions from the pot but seemingly doesnt have any doctors or equipment to treat the sick. How passive have supporters from all clubs become when we allow them to do nothing and see one of footballs "founder" clubs sink into the mire? Who is next? Time to act people - #eflsolidarity
 
beyondthefourth said:
It is absolutely not fair on the loyal fans of lower league teams that are let down by poor owners, to have to be essentially halfway to relegation before the first ball is kicked.

But if you let the punishments slide, it is not fair on the owners of clubs who put in a lot of effort to be sustainable in a competition where the rewards for taking the big punt on promotion can be so lucrative.
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There should be no such a thing as "poor owners" - the job of the EFL is to vet all owners and surely make sure they ARE LIQUID and have a long term plan to make the club sustainable, not just push the can down the road and hope for the best. They aren't doing their job - there isnt any interest in safeguarding the future of lower league clubs. Really not sure why EFL clubs don't have a vote of no confidence in the current leadership and insist on an EFL who can represent the interest, and demand a bigger share of revenues, for struggling EFL clubs.
 
Owners have to shoulder the vast bulk of the blame, but fans also have to look at themselves. Many of us are guilty of wanting our clubs to ‘go for it’ and live beyond our means. We chastise (I’m talking about me here) our owners for their lack of ambition and grumble when the big money signings fail to materialise. Some even withhold our ST money because the owner isn’t providing enough proof of ambition.

Bolton and Bury fans were delirious to see recent promotions delivered and cheered every goal and victory on the way. Fans seldom stop to think if it’s sustainable or whether or not the owner will pull the plug. We only do that when it’s too late.

Wycombe, Exeter, Accrington are all examples of clubs that live within their means, yet they’re derided for being ‘tinpot’. Strange.

Of course, football is about glory and ambition to play at the highest level possible. An owner who is not prepared to fund a club to a sensible amount has no business being in the business of football. We should, however, stop and think occasionally about where it leads to when we scream for players we can’t afford.

Now, FFS, Tiger, splash the cash!
 
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OxfordYankee said:
Now, FFS, Tiger, splash the cash!
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Wasn't football generally more fun to support though when the gap was narrower and everyone seemingly had some sort of chance to either scalp a huge upset in the cup, or flourished rather than went bust when promoted! Too much money has spoiled the game and sadly we will never again see a L1/L2 club in any major cup final, or able to bounce up again into the Premiership like the great OUFC of the past :-( Derogatory bids that can't be refused would mean successful teams being broken up for "pennies". I think that if L1/L2 supporters are just expected to accept at best competing in the lower leagues there is an even stronger argument to subsidise L1/L2 clubs/fans before attendances fall even further. Cash strapped fans, if honest about their teams expectations, might start to see their ST as dead money. OUFC have hyped the transfer chat to sell ST early again this year. I hope we don't make signings just to appease fans, who then never get a start....and hopefully we have something up our sleeves.... but in terms of playing time together before the season starts the clock is ticking
 
It’s very unlikely for a lower league club to get to a major final. Bradford City were the last I think but they were arguably a big fish in a smaller pool.
Accrington have shown everyone how to run a football club on a shoestring. Their best crowds seldom go above 3000. Burton arguably another well run club. Peterborough have developed players and made the club lots of money...hopefully we can profit from doing it that way along with our academy players
There are of course those clubs that are bankrolled, Fleetwood spring to mind, and no doubt Salford next season. I can see them going up next season. Not only bankrolled but well run too. Keep expanding and they might make it to the championship. They have a good catchment area too.
The odds now are well and truly stacked against L1 and L2
 
How to solve the mess.
1. Players pay their agents fees.
2. Limit clubs to spending 60% of their average annual income over the last three years on the first team. Owners can spend further money on first team budget but cannot connect this to the club in any manner (I.e. mortgage against ground)
3. Failure to pay HRMCon time = 3 point penalty.
4. Clubs who go into a CVA can only be run by a non profit making organisation like the local council or supporters trust and must run at a surplus for 3 years which is used to pay back historical debts
5. Football league must authorise all new ownerships and agree to cover a percentage of debts if a team subsequently goes into receivership or a CVA.
6. A club who uses a CVA hands ownership of ground/buildings to local council.

Draconian yes but at the same time will get player wages under control, make the FL more responsible for the mess it has created and stops chancers looking for a 1 in 1000 risk free gamble unlikely.
 
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