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Sarge said:
The Labour party dont have a Dominic Cummings=esque puppetmaster to run things ,or hurry things along,- aided by weirdos & misfits, ( some of whom are racists!). The Labour party is built on democracy, currently, the Labour party leadership election is at the second stage with just 3 candidates remaining- there was a Leaders debate on Channel 4 this evening, broadcast from former safe labour seat constituency of Dudley ( currently a tory seat) - the Labour party leadership process follows a considerably more inclusive & democratic path than any 'leadership' contest held by the current party in government (imo)
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Both parties follow a very similar route of "whittling down" the field before putting it to the membership they just do it in different ways. ;)
 
Foley said:
It looks like even die hard labour voters on here have given up the argument?
Where is yellow taxi ( was he the momentum supporting guy on the election thread?)
I hope that Starmer wins, but worry that none of the challengers are really up to it?
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He sodded off the moment the election was lost. But Murph has history for that. so it's not surprising he went. He'll pop up again in a couple of years with the same far left gibberish
 
Sarge said:
The Labour party dont have a Dominic Cummings=esque puppetmaster to run things ,or hurry things along,- aided by weirdos & misfits, ( some of whom are racists!). The Labour party is built on democracy, currently, the Labour party leadership election is at the second stage with just 3 candidates remaining- there was a Leaders debate on Channel 4 this evening, broadcast from former safe labour seat constituency of Dudley ( currently a tory seat) - the Labour party leadership process follows a considerably more inclusive & democratic path than any 'leadership' contest held by the current party in government (imo)
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Can you explain that in more detail? The last Tory process was as dull as this Labour one was and democratic too!
 
Meanwhile, a senior Labour MP came out with this:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1229510677590683648

The concept of Transphobia seems to have become a big thing in the Labour leadership from some quarters - but do they not realise what they sound like to normal people with normal jobs? By all means have a calm and rational discussion about Trans rights, while appreciating that some people may not agree with you.

This is ?:poop:? and the sort of stuff that stops people listening to Labour at all.
 
Gary Baldi said:
Just wondering how the Tories was undemocratic?
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maybe ask Dominic Cummings or one of his 'weirdo' assistants.... theyll probably, already have created their own 'new' approach for the future ?;)
 
Sarge said:
The Labour party dont have a Dominic Cummings=esque puppetmaster to run things ,or hurry things along,- aided by weirdos & misfits, ( some of whom are racists!). The Labour party is built on democracy, currently, the Labour party leadership election is at the second stage with just 3 candidates remaining- there was a Leaders debate on Channel 4 this evening, broadcast from former safe labour seat constituency of Dudley ( currently a tory seat) - the Labour party leadership process follows a considerably more inclusive & democratic path than any 'leadership' contest held by the current party in government (imo)
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I hope they get a good opposition leader with all that effort Sarge!
 
tonyw said:
Thought this was a short, succinct and mildly humorous summary of the contest......
www.independent.co.uk

Tom Peck: Just like that, Keir Starmer’s Labour leadership performance became utterly hopeless

However the race turns out, it will be an improvement on Corbyn. Unless, of course, a freak accident leads to the election of a piece of office furniture
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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Quite scary really. We seriously need a decent opposition and Labour seem keen to totally ignore the public and just appeal to their own members.
It was quite amusing listening to the C4 debate when the 4 were asked who was the best Labour leaders in the past 50 years.
None were 'allowed ' to mention who was by far their most successful leader. Blair is like Voldemort it appears
Long Bailey said Atlee but it was explained to her that he was more than 50 years ago!!
 
Foley said:
It was quite amusing listening to the C4 debate when the 4 were asked who was the best Labour leaders in the past 50 years.
None were 'allowed ' to mention who was by far their most successful leader. Blair is like Voldemort it appears
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It's amazing, really.

I understand why he's now a pariah. His foreign policy was an unmitigated disaster, and his decision making and dishonesty with regards Iraq became the defining moment of his tenure.

But he also presided over a decade of uninterrupted economic growth, and spent a ton of money on health service and educational infrastructure, as well as introducing a number of more left-wing programs (than the Conservatives, anyway), the minimum wage chief amongst them.

Domestically, he was a successful Prime Minister, whatever way you look at it. And there's just no way you can say that about any other Labour leader since, arguably, Harold Wilson.

It's ridiculous that no candidate for the Labour leadership can stand up and even try to make that case without being booed off stage!
 
I'd suggest it's Corbyn's brand of politics and his supporters - his Tonyness is called a right wing Tory by some of those of Labour supporters but they can only dream of a) winning an election and b) being credible enough to take the country to an international war.

Frankly, it's Labours loss and the Tories gain, so long may it continue!
 
tonyw said:
It's amazing, really.

I understand why he's now a pariah. His foreign policy was an unmitigated disaster, and his decision making and dishonesty with regards Iraq became the defining moment of his tenure.

But he also presided over a decade of uninterrupted economic growth, and spent a ton of money on health service and educational infrastructure, as well as introducing a number of more left-wing programs (than the Conservatives, anyway), the minimum wage chief amongst them.

Domestically, he was a successful Prime Minister, whatever way you look at it. And there's just no way you can say that about any other Labour leader since, arguably, Harold Wilson.

It's ridiculous that no candidate for the Labour leadership can stand up and even try to make that case without being booed off stage!
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And there in is the crux of Labour`s problems. They spend too much time fishing around for minority interests to support when, quite frankly, the electorate don`t care if someone is black, pink, LGBTQ (or any other letter of the alphabet) or identifies as a frog, as long as they do a decent job for us.
They carry on along that route they are finished.
Yes Blair`s foreign policy was a disaster but as far as the economy went it was great. Who was it says "It`s the economy stupid" ...that is all that matters to most of us and the rest should fall into place.
 
With the Tory party occupying the right wing of politics - for example,will Pritti Patel be deporting her own parents under her new immigration policy? ;) - theres a gaping hole in the middle ground of politics in England, and to a degree in Wales- with SNP in Scotland and Sinn Fein in Ireland , nationalistic leaning parties who have both all but wiped out Labour by adopting many softer socialist policies- there is a prime opportunity for both Liberal Democrats and the bruised n battered (after the GE) Labour party to grab hold of the vacant centrist ground. In wales , if Plaid Cymru follow SNP & Sinn Fein they could similarly nullify Labour in the pricipality. Meanwhile, the Labour leadership process has been narrowed down to 3 candidates, none of whom are moderate/ centrist type socialist politicians, however the Labour party leadership election process following its due course, has via its democratic process arrived at the point it sits currently. Lisa Nandy is arguably the ' best' option, from the choice of the 3 IMO

I cant see Labour being elected outright as a government, when realistically Labour are all but limited to having a chance of seriously contesting constituency seats in (mainly) English contituencies- and, even if all the traditional labour voters who jumped ship at the last GE were to return to the Labour party fold with their votes, given that most countryside/ 'shire seats are tory strongholds, the amount of English seats if Labour see their lost voters come back, simply wouldnt be enough to return a majority , outright Labour government, the best they could hope for would be to head a coalition with SNP and maybe Plaid Cymru ?

Meanwhile the Lib Dems really are missing a trick, as they could mount a decent challenge for the all important center ground the way things are, yet they dont seem too motivated to do so IMO
 
The reality is that most of us (the electorate) are "somewhere in the middle".
And then a decent chunk are to the right or left by varying degree`s.
A succesful party normally takes the middle & "one side" of the electorate.
This time around the Tories have got a massive chunk of the centre & right, and in some places parts of the less extreme left as well.
That is the biggest dynamic shift in a very long time, in fact since Blair was in power with "Tory lite/New Labour", which took the middle, the left and the less extreme right.
The current Labour party have a very long road to travel and I can see them keeping the opposition bench`s warm for another decade at least.
The Lib Dem`s are in a complete mess after getting into bed with the Conservatives, then lurching to "No Brexit" (a huge Yuck Foo to 17 million voters) and will remain a minor party beyond my days because of it.
Plaid, SNP etc are (again) minor parties with one trick, nationalism.


In other news Labour are still committing local cluster-fudges as well https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-51561654
 
Essexyellows said:
quite frankly, the electorate don`t care if someone is black, pink, LGBTQ (or any other letter of the alphabet) or identifies as a frog, as long as they do a decent job for us.
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I don’t think that’s true. It’s easy words, and makes people feel good and is completely false. I’ll take that back when there’s a black, openly gay, or amphibian prime minister of the UK.
 
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