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I think that's a massive simplification.I'll save you the bother.
"Oxford are tiny, relegation was always inevitable".
I'll save you the bother.
"Oxford are tiny, relegation was always inevitable".
Surely you can't have a midfield triangle in that formation. Your midfield is the '3-2' part in the middle, that is clearly a midfield trapezoid.
The second 3 included the wingbacks, you can call it a 5-1-2-2 if you prefer, but I like my wingbacks to push on!I suppose it depends how close together the 2 of the 1st 2 stand.
I'll save you the bother.
"Oxford are tiny, relegation was always inevitable".
Are you sure it’s because of George Elek and not because no one wants to watch a second tier football team lose every week in the driving rain in a car park while a group of peculiar middle aged men with awful opinions berate them for not supporting the team in the correct way?Exactly how I read it & to me it’s an attitude that’s not just his but of many.
It’s why only 1,000 go to Cov.
It’s why there’s a couple of thousand empty seats Tuesday night.
Not sure how that follows. If one believes we're unlikely to be in this division for long, isn't it likely to be seen as an exciting couple of years of punching above our weight, and worth getting to these games while we can?Exactly how I read it & to me it’s an attitude that’s not just his but of many.
It’s why only 1,000 go to Cov.
It’s why there’s a couple of thousand empty seats Tuesday night.
Not sure how that follows. If one believes we're unlikely to be in this division for long, isn't it likely to be seen as an exciting couple of years of punching above our weight, and worth getting to these games while we can?
Are you sure it’s because of George Elek and not because no one wants to watch a second tier football team lose every week in the driving rain in a car park while a group of peculiar middle aged men with awful opinions berate them for not supporting the team in the correct way?
It isn’t fun in any sense. Losing is always a risk at this level, but the issue is we aren’t even laying a glove a lot of the time, it’s not close, we aren’t even laying being played off the park.Not sure how that follows. If one believes we're unlikely to be in this division for long, isn't it likely to be seen as an exciting couple of years of punching above our weight, and worth getting to these games while we can?
I don't think these attendances have anything to do with attitudes, more to do with the facts - we're losing most weeks, and not scoring many goals.
But I think if we perceived ourselves as a small club at the level, aren't we *more* likely to take the attitude we had last season? Perhaps the issue is we started to believe we "belonged" and stopped putting in quite as much effort as a result?
I think that is the accurate reflection. When we came up last season, we knew we were punching above our weight, one of the smallest budgets, playing in a ground we have to rent, and with a squad made up of our L1 playoff winners and a mixture of waifs and strays. Every game was 'us against them', whether it was the fans roaring on OUFC at home to Norwich, Stoke, Sunderland and so on, or going to the likes of Leeds in our thousands, hoping for an upset.There’s a lack of fight and belief by many that we belong at this level.
I think you look at our home games last year & it was an all in mentality from the majority.
It’s almost as if a lot of people were worn out by that & couldn’t go again this year.
I don’t think that just applies to large sections of our support too. I think that also applies to big figures high up at our football club who looked to have sat back and relaxed after the Sunderland home win & admired one great season of staying up for far too long.
Great point. Tell me how many years we have played at the Kassam without having thousands of empty seats.That’s a cop out answer that. The mentioning of the weather whilst a dig at a stadium we’ve played at for years with plenty of success in previous. Did we not play at the Kassam last season? Did in not rain last season?
It’s second season syndrome. I believe the players are fighting/trying, but other teams have probably raised their game, especially at our place. We made our place/home a bit of a fortress last season, but a combination of various things e.g. pre-season, summer transfer budget shambles, sacking Rowett too late leading to a catch-up January window and all in-between!I think that is the accurate reflection. When we came up last season, we knew we were punching above our weight, one of the smallest budgets, playing in a ground we have to rent, and with a squad made up of our L1 playoff winners and a mixture of waifs and strays. Every game was 'us against them', whether it was the fans roaring on OUFC at home to Norwich, Stoke, Sunderland and so on, or going to the likes of Leeds in our thousands, hoping for an upset.
This season, there isn't that same mentality in the stands and possibly not on the pitch either. It's been like the Joshua v Fury clown show. A circus in the build-up (our pre-season and transfer activity), followed by our team slowly being dismantled, along with the hope and optimism of fans. Week after week after week.
From a financial perspective, the way we're managed off the pitch and so on, we don't belong in the Championship at the moment. The money, infrastructure, revenue streams etc. are so far removed from our own. Christ, there are non-league clubs (one a couple of miles down the road) who have a greater ability to create revenue, provide options for fans on matchday etc.
I love that we're in the Championship, for the first time in years, there are colleagues and friends of mine who acknowledge our results, whether that's because they're fans or they see us on TV or in the media. I love going to some of the grounds we've been to, seeing a full away end instead of 48 fans from Accrington, and concourses singing "come on you yellows". It's been incredible, and I'm desperate that it doesn't end. I want everyone in the club to feel the same! It's why I'm so angry when I hear comments like "we're ahead of schedule", "it's not the end of the world if we go down". It may not be to you, Tim. But to me, having gone to my first game at the Manor in the mid-90s, to celebrating with my five-year-old at Wembley, it IS the end of the f*cking world! Which is why I so desperately wanted us to go into this campaign swinging. Instead, we stuttered in, and we've paid the price ever since.
Belief and fight need to be driven from the top, not just platitudes and Instagram posts, but proper words and actions. Get the players engaged, you'll get the fans engaged and give them some fight to stay up. It's frustrating, but a lot of the fan base aren't like those of us on here. They support Oxford, but for some, it's not in their veins. They need a bit extra than we do when getting in the car at lunchtime to drive to Wrexham on a Tuesday.
If the management team can't see that THEY are responsible for instilling some proper fight, grit and desire (like any good SMT in business) then it's going to be a long few weeks as we get picked off, jab after jab after jab. Maybe when the season is done, we can turn our passion towards holding those who have caused us to stall this campaign.
I don’t mean it from a financial pov. Loan players know they’re only at the club for a limited time, so inherently no long-term buy-in compared to someone who’s fully contracted. Just think that from a quietly mental aspect, it can be tough to fully invest in a relegation fight when they know they’ll be gone in a few months. And if a third of your squad is made up of these types of players, surely that is nothing but a hindrance in a relegation fight. There’s much less at stake for them personally, less attachment to the club, fans.. it subtly affect group morale and cohesion, especially when a squad is heavily reliant on short-term arrivals rather than players who see the club as their current home.
You’ll of course, get some like Nelson who’ll fight for the cause but ultimately, for example… I think asking a player to come in from overseas, who’s never played in the EFL, on loan, has to adapt very quickly, and in a relegation dogfight, signing last day of the transfer window… Ergh. I just don’t see any logic behind that. (Krastev). It’s 18 months since we joined the championship and we’re contractually no stronger up top than we were vs Bolton at Wembley.
Speaks volumes when Matt Phillips has just signed for Stevenage, Luke Harris is now on loan at Wycombe, Bradshaw at Barnsley, Sibley at Bradford & Krastev at Goztepe.
These were lads in our 25 for the first half of the season. No wonder Rowett was so pissed off.
Though the counterargument here is Preston - overachieving on a low budget for this level, and their top three goalscorers are all young PL loanees. They also got a great half-season from Harrison Armstrong, before Everton recalled him (and have actually been giving him Premier League minutes).
Those four players between them are a big reason why Preston are in 7th and only out of the playoffs on GD (by one).
I think our problem is less that we are trying to use the loan market - because I think in general that judicious use of the loan market can get you access to players that you can't otherwise afford - and more the fact that only one of the nine players that we've loaned this year (Lankshear) has so far made a meaningful positive impact on our season. Krastev and Larris were definite busts and poor signings. And the jury is still out on the other six.
In other words, I think it's bad player choices by our recruitment team more than it's bad strategy for a team like us with a limited budget for this level.
I don’t think Krastev can be included in the bracket. Göztepe 4th in Superlig and he’s been given the number 10. Another team that believes he can excel for them a decent level; perhaps he will with them.Speaks volumes when Matt Phillips has just signed for Stevenage, Luke Harris is now on loan at Wycombe, Bradshaw at Barnsley, Sibley at Bradford & Krastev at Goztepe.
These were lads in our 25 for the first half of the season. No wonder Rowett was so pissed off.
Presumably parent clubs have to be willing to loan their players to a club. Playing devils advocate, who’s to say we didn’t try for some of those players?
……and that those players took one look at our club snd league position and said No Thanks!Presumably parent clubs have to be willing to loan their players to a club. Playing devils advocate, who’s to say we didn’t try for some of those players?
Could be the Preston manager has something to do with it.Though the counterargument here is Preston - overachieving on a low budget for this level, and their top three goalscorers are all young PL loanees. They also got a great half-season from Harrison Armstrong, before Everton recalled him (and have actually been giving him Premier League minutes).
Those four players between them are a big reason why Preston are in 7th and only out of the playoffs on GD (by one).
I think our problem is less that we are trying to use the loan market - because I think in general that judicious use of the loan market can get you access to players that you can't otherwise afford - and more the fact that only one of the nine players that we've loaned this year (Lankshear) has so far made a meaningful positive impact on our season. Krastev and Larris were definite busts and poor signings. And the jury is still out on the other six.
In other words, I think it's bad player choices by our recruitment team more than it's bad strategy for a team like us with a limited budget for this level.
You didn't read it, did you.I'll save you the bother.
"Oxford are tiny, relegation was always inevitable".
Hindsight is a wonderful thingHat trick for Jack Marriott today taking him to 15 goals in 21 League One games this season.
Remember we said there was no value in him and proceeded to spend nearly half a million quid on Will Goodwin who has 2 goals in League Two this season.