Indicative vote - What would you vote for?

[Northstandboy]

If you have ONE choice, what would you pick? Post your reasons why.

No Deal (B) – John Baron (Conservative)
Agrees to leave the EU on 12 April without a deal.

Common market 2.0 (D) – Nick Boles (Conservative)
Government joins the European Economic Area (EEA) through the European Free Trade Association (EFTA), and negotiates a temporary customs union until alternative arrangements can be found.

EFTA and EEA (H) – George Eustice (Conservative)
Remains in the European Economic Area (EEA), and applies to re-join the European Free Trade Association (EFTA).
Declines to form a customs union but seeks “agreement on new protocols relating to the Northern Ireland border and agri-food trade”.

Customs union (J) – Ken Clarke (Conservative)
Enshrine the objective to form a customs union in primary legislation.

Labour’s alternative plan (K) – Jeremy Corbyn
Negotiate changes to the withdrawal agreement and the political declaration to secure Labour’s position, and pass these objectives into law.

Revocation to avoid no deal (L) – Joanna Cherry (SNP)
If the Withdrawal (Agreement) Bill has not been passed before exit day, the government will ask MPs to approve no deal. If this does not pass, the government will revoke Article 50.

Confirmatory public vote (M) – Margaret Beckett (Labour)
Government cannot implement or ratify the withdrawal agreement and the political declaration unless and until they have been approved in a referendum.

Contingent preferential arrangements (O) – Marcus Fysh (Conservative)
Malthouse Plan B: The UK makes its budgetary contributions to the EU to the end of 2020 and agrees with the EU a period of two years in which UK goods have full access to the EU.

 

[Sarge]

There's no 'none of the above' option? that'd be my choice !

 

[Manorlounger]

All that was ever required, the ability to trade within Europe free of tariffs and/or punitive taxation.

 

[Northstandboy]

Why D @Essexyellows ?

I have absolutely no idea!

 

[ZeroTheHero]

I'd have to read up on some of those options in order to make an informed decision.

 

[Essexyellows]

Why D @Essexyellows ?

Resolves the Irish issue, exits EU Fisheries policies, restriction applied to free movement, EEA membership and we can say No to what we don`t like. Trade continues, reduced contribution, security & information sharing.

Its a sensible middle ground and more like what we voted for when we joined!!

 

[Northstandboy]

I'd have to read up on some of those options in order to make an informed decision.

Yes, the snippet i included does not go into much.

I assume the MP's have had chance to read up on the possible options before now?

 

[Northstandboy]

Resolves the Irish issue, exits EU Fisheries policies, restriction applied to free movement, EEA membership and we can say No to what we don`t like. Trade continues, reduced contribution, security & information sharing.

Its a sensible middle ground and more like what we voted for when we joined!!

How about negotiation of our own trade deals?

 

[SteMerritt]

I'd have to read up on some of those options in order to make an informed decision.

Damn right, because if you make a decision and then later find out some information you don't like, you can't change your vote... That's referendum rules for you I'm afraid ?

 

[Marked Ox]

Small point ESB, but option L isn't straight revocation of A50 as described in the actual poll so comes across as misleading. It is actually a straight vote between a WTO Brexit and revoking A50, ruling out anything in between.

 

[Northstandboy]

Small point ESB, but option L isn't straight revocation of A50 as described in the actual poll so comes across as misleading. It is actually a straight vote between a WTO Brexit and revoking A50, ruling out anything in between.

Ok, that's the spiel from the BBC.

 

[Leysboy]

No deal on WTO

 

[Northstandboy]

Early days in this poll, but interesting that nearly 50% of voters in the poll on the main Brexit thread were in favour of no deal. So far, under 20% on this thread are 'no dealers'. As I say, very early days, but I wonder if people have realised that 'no deal' could be economically bad for the UK, and a rush to simply 'get out under any circumstances' might not be the way to go?

Only 12 votes

 

[Sarge]

when does the house of commons mps vote on the options?

 

[Northstandboy]

when does the house of commons mps vote on the options?

7pm?

 

[Leysboy]

It’s interesting to me really, that 7 of them options are basically Remain in one way or another, and only one is a genuine Leave. That’s how I see it!

 

[tonyw]

It’s interesting to me really, that 7 of them options are basically Remain in one way or another, and only one is a genuine Leave. That’s how I see it!

The question on the referendum was:

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

So every option other than K or L (probably) achieves us leaving the EU, and therefore delivers on the result of that referendum.

If they wanted to get a better idea of what exactly the people of Britain wanted from Brexit, they should have asked a better question or set of questions!

 

[Leysboy]

I get what your saying Tony, it’s obvious the two main reasons for people voting to leave, were being fed up of being bullied by Brussels and the other was to end the free movement of people. They were the two smoking guns, and why people want to get out.

 

[tonyw]

I get what your saying Tony, it’s obvious the two main reasons for people voting to leave, were being fed up of being bullied by Brussels and the other was to end the free movement of people. They were the two smoking guns, and why people want to get out.

Sure, but the other side would argue that it's equally obvious that leave voters didn't want a return to a hard border with Ireland, and didn't want all their fruits and veggies to become subject to tariffs (each of which are likely consequences of a No Deal Brexit).

If the Remain/Leave campaign had been run in a fair and honest fashion (by either side) and voters had been clearly told that a No Deal Brexit achieves separation from Brussels and ends free movement, but comes at the cost of a border with Ireland and tariffs on all imports/exports with the EU - then it would be reasonable to state that a No Deal Brexit was the will of the people.

But it wasn't and they weren't, and therefore we have the current chaos.

 

[Essexyellows]

Well that all got blown out of the water and we are no better off after they fudged another day.

Should lock them in the chamber with no food,water or phones and see what the result is after a week. ?

 

[Northstandboy]

No deal has it on the Yellows Forum vote.

 

[Sarge]

There's no 'none of the above' option? that'd be my choice !

oooops, I hear that 'none of the above' was the decision of most MPs too .... the 'no's' have it on all options!

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

No deal has it on the Yellows Forum vote.

No...it doesn't...read the question again. It reads what do you THINK will happen, not what you want to happen. Hence many (like me) could have said, (at the time of voting) that no deal looked most likely given May's pig of a deal being the only one agreed by the EU, even if they were vehemently opposed to it.

 

[Sarge]

Seriously though ... for this whole catalogue of disasters debacle called Brexit thats been running for nigh on 3 years, gotta say Ive seen more inspiring leadership from a hung over sunday league captain with his shirt on inside out

General Election coming?

 

[Northstandboy]

Seriously though ... for this whole catalogue of disasters debacle called Brexit thats been running for nigh on 3 years, gotta say Ive seen more inspiring leadership from a hung over sunday league captain with his shirt on inside out

General Election coming?

Thing is with a GE, at the moment, i think we would be in the exact same situation we are in now.

 

[Sarge]

Thing is with a GE, at the moment, i think we would be in the exact same situation we are in now.

maybe ... there again maybe not? as certain MPs will or should be voted out by disgruntled voters , &
if theres a huge amount of changes of faces in the house of commons who knows whats likely in the aftermath?

 

[Sarge]

last nights no, no no , no , no , no, no, no votes results

 

[Marked Ox]

I think Monday might see more clarity (assuming May's deal doesn't get through) as the options available will be narrowed down apparently. Also the voting method may be changed to preference voting.

 

[Sarge]

 

[Essexyellows]

So .... 31% of an admittedly small number of Yellows Forum posters voted for 'no deal' above. This is down from 49% of Yellows Forum posters who voted for 'no deal' on the previous Brexit thread. Of the 560 MPs who voted last night on the 'no deal' option, 29% voted for 'no deal'.

Does this suggest that MPs and Yellow Forum posters are currently in tune in their attitude to a 'no deal' Brexit?

How do the 'no deal' advocates on here feel about that?

I would have been reasonably happy with Common Market 2.0, lets face it everyone needs to shift a bit to reach an agreement. Well that is dead in the water unless it makes a zombie-esque comeback when Mays Deal fails (again).
So we are left with May`s deal then a GE and more chaos or.................. No Deal.

The latter is looking like the required sledgehammer to break the impasse.