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Scotchegg said:
Great Britain - England, Scotland and Wales
United Kingdom - as above + Northern Ireland
British Isles - as above and numerous Isles around UK.
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Ballymena is in Northern Ireland. Not Ireland as Sheikh stated. Worth clarifying.
 
SteMerritt said:
Also in addition to the point above, we don't know where that clip was taken, and they refer to 'Ireland' in the text saying they will be the 'first country' to... whatever the claim was.
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To be fair, I've looked into that BP X account and it does seem to just be largely an agitator who is using people's valid concerns to advocate for some kind of civil war.
 
holdsteady said:
There is an entire industry that cares what people wear, so the arrogance of that must drive you mental.
If having an opinion on something is arrogant then I am.

Its certainly not as far out there as trying to pretend that’s it’s people who don’t like the burqa who are trying to enforce what women wear, I think not wearing a tent or going around naked leaves one hell of a middle ground to express yourself however you like through how you dress, don’t think any society is asking to much to ask you to live with those boundaries.
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It’s not “not liking the burqa” that is the problem. It is the call for banning of it. That’s the authoritarian overstep.
 
holdsteady said:
There is an entire industry that cares what people wear, so the arrogance of that must drive you mental.
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I don’t think I get nearly as upset about things as you.

holdsteady said:
If having an opinion on something is arrogant then I am.
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If your opinion is that you think you know what all women want, then I honestly find that hilarious. Don’t mistake me laughing at something for me being offended by it.

holdsteady said:
Its certainly not as far out there as trying to pretend that’s it’s people who don’t like the burqa who are trying to enforce what women wear
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You’re not trying to enforce what women wear but you do want to stop them wearing something?

holdsteady said:
I think not wearing a tent or going around naked leaves one hell of a middle ground to express yourself however you like through how you dress
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Until you decide that women don’t like something else, and then ban that?
 
chuckbert said:
Personal view? Yes.
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This thread has taken an unexpected turn :ROFLMAO:.

I am pretty liberal clothes wise, but I think a society has a right to ask you to have an uncovered face but covered private parts, after that its up to you.
 
chuckbert said:
No you’re not! You want to ban some specific female items of clothing.
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I want to ban full face coverings (unless needed for a job etc), and I believe you should cover your genitals in public places (except for accepted nudist areas), anything else is fair game. Thats pretty liberal, I am not certain you will some of the men proposing women wear the burqa quite so liberal.
 
RgYellows said:
I don’t think I get nearly as upset about things as you.



If your opinion is that you think you know what all women want, then I honestly find that hilarious. Don’t mistake me laughing at something for me being offended by it.



You’re not trying to enforce what women wear but you do want to stop them wearing something?



Until you decide that women don’t like something else, and then ban that?
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This is just the mental rantings of someone to scared to criticise one facet of certain Islamic culture. Moral cowardice.
 
ECYellow said:
Couldn’t tell you. I’m not in the head of those choosing to do so, clearly.
If we were to speculate, it might be something to do with criminals that are Irish Nationals actually being their problem, rather than the immigrants that have been placed in their communities, and who are appearing to not be integrating into their societies in a fashion that prevents them sexually assaulting young girls.
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Be careful or you'll fall off the head of that pin.
 
chuckbert said:
Mind you, where I live, it would be ill advised for about 8 months of the year because of the risk of sun burn let alone skin cancers.
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Reverse in England, be a pointless thing to outlaw most of the year unless its aimed purely at Geordie women on a night out.
 
Sheik Djibouti said:
Correct -duly edited.

IMHO, you're also correct about the source and what they are trying to do here.

Angry people ae useful people!
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The problem is there's a lot of people who feel not listened to who are somewhat likely of getting suckered in by accounts like that which are essentially suggesting a "clash of civilisations" (as I think Douglas Murray puts it) is inevitable.

I get the frustration. I've seen my area change immeasurably and largely for the worse. I don't blame migrants themselves though. If I was from a country with brutal leaders and a woeful economy I'd be paying people smugglers to cross a boat in a dinghy or doing everything I could to legally get to a country which would give me a free house and some money.

The anger should be directed at politicians who have failed to deliver on immigration for decades and given us empty promise after empty promise. People on the left should also be angry at these politicians because they have opened the door for people to be radicalised to want some sort of civil war.

I don't know what the solution is. Immigration has been so high for so long and it's affects can't be reversed now. One major problem I feel in my city is we have lots of cultures which live alongside each but we don't all seem to have one set of values which hold us together. We have enclaves of different styles of living and it can all feel quite uncomfortable sometimes.

That account seems to be subtly or not implying riots are the way forward. Which isn't the way we should be looking to solve our problems and will only deepen divides.

A patriotic centrist party would storm the next GE.
 
holdsteady said:
This is just the mental rantings of someone to scared to criticise one facet of certain Islamic culture. Moral cowardice.
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Do I have to criticise Islamic culture in every discussion about whether it’s reasonable for you to speak for all women, or just the ones where you have no meaningful response to make?
 
holdsteady said:
This is just the mental rantings of someone to scared to criticise one facet of certain Islamic culture. Moral cowardice.
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Ban full face coverings . . . enitrely, with exception of need for work or a particular activity?

Better tell that to the hordes of youths on illegal e-bikes up and down the country who seem to think that wearing a full face covering makes them untraceable and therefore their antisocial behaviour, illegal activities and dangerous riding is OK..
 
holdsteady said:
I want to ban full face coverings (unless needed for a job etc), and I believe you should cover your genitals in public places (except for accepted nudist areas), anything else is fair game. Thats pretty liberal, I am not certain you will some of the men proposing women wear the burqa quite so liberal.
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It's interesting that the Netherlands (considered to be one of the most liberal countries in Europe) has outlawed the burqa and niqab in many public settings.

It's a classic polsci debate this about what the line is. Does a society sometimes need to act illiberally to protect other people's liberty?

No one likes going through airport security and being subject to physical checks and removing items of close. If is illiberal in a sense but we recognise the need for it to protect the greater good.

You can't run any society solely on a "do what you like" basis because sometimes your liberty will impinge on someone else's liberty.

I do not believe for one second you are islamophobic and I agree with your comments.
 
Sheik Djibouti said:
Ban full face coverings . . . enitrely, with exception of need for work or a particular activity?

Better tell that to the hordes of youths on illegal e-bikes up and down the country who seem to think that wearing a full face covering makes them untraceable and therefore their antisocial behaviour, illegal activities and dangerous riding is OK..
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I completely agree that they should also be banned from doing that, have had it happen near to me and nearly took one of the idiots of their bikes accidentally
 
Sheik Djibouti said:
Ban full face coverings . . . enitrely, with exception of need for work or a particular activity?

Better tell that to the hordes of youths on illegal e-bikes up and down the country who seem to think that wearing a full face covering makes them untraceable and therefore their antisocial behaviour, illegal activities and dangerous riding is OK..
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I actually would 100% ban these youths on bikes covering their faces too.


Stuff like this is everywhere in London. Kids in blacked out clothing and often actually in "ballies" doing untold amounts of antisocial behaviour. It's one of many things about my city I hate.
 
ECYellow said:
Customary belittling and/or condescending reply, when someone doesn't agree with the narrative 🫡
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Some on here will feign disgust at words like "woke" "wets" "the left" but then turn a blind eye to people who share their opinions openly belittling people they disagree with or calling them xenophobes or racists.

No consistency
 
Carpy said:
This is the bigger issue for me, all face coverings should be banned in public spaces, especially those clearly not used for religious purposes. They're a precursor for criminality.
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I was mugged by youths wearing face coverings a year or so ago so I couldn't agree with you in any stronger terms.
It's one of the reasons I took a break from this forum because it made me really emotional and angry.
The debate should have been about face coverings generally rather than specifically burqas or niqabs.
 
Mojofilter said:
The lust to give the state more needless powers is really sad. Why would we want them to be able to tell us what to.bloody wear or not
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An utterly futile exercise too, given that we are nowhere near enforcing/policing what we already have, which in most circumstances would be more than enough.

Sadder still that individual responsibility, a sense of community and pride in it seemingly counts for nothing, hence the clamour for ever more regulation and rules to be enforced by some imaginary enforcing authority with limitless reach and resources..
 
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