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Basham Wonderland said:
I disagree - I don't think it really matters how many MPs they have during this Parliament. How they perform in the next GE is all that really matters. I can't really think of a single downside to them losing an MP whose conduct has been below par.

I would imagine their polling would be much, much lower if Farage wasn't involved. The fact that you're so keen for him to step aside says it all. He's still the big threat to the main parties.
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It'll be interesting to see how reform go in the local elections. I got my first ever Reform leaflet through the door last week.
 
Orkney Islands Yellow said:
It'll be interesting to see how reform go in the local elections. I got my first ever Reform leaflet through the door last week.
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I imagine they will have a very good set of elections, given those tend to be where people are happiest to deliver a protest vote.

I've always wondered if we'd actually be better off if the local elections were all independent and not linked party politics!
 
Basham Wonderland said:
I disagree - I don't think it really matters how many MPs they have during this Parliament. How they perform in the next GE is all that really matters. I can't really think of a single downside to them losing an MP whose conduct has been below par.

I would imagine their polling would be much, much lower if Farage wasn't involved. The fact that you're so keen for him to step aside says it all. He's still the big threat to the main parties.
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I am more than happy for Farage to be involved because he always ends up falling out with everyone and screws it up for everyone else - he always has because it is always all about him. Deep down I'm sure you know it too. He's now got 4 years to show that he;s not just a chancer with his head firmly up Trumps rectum and more interested in what goes on in Washington than he is in Westminster. His persistent absenteeism to date in both the House and his constituency does not really paint a very good picture does it.
Basham Wonderland said:
I imagine they will have a very good set of elections, given those tend to be where people are happiest to deliver a protest vote.

I've always wondered if we'd actually be better off if the local elections were all independent and not linked party politics!
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At least you recognise that it is a protest vote and that when it comes to something serious, Farage and co will likely be found wanting yet again. Especially when the electorate have 4 years of Parliamentary performance to judge them on, coupled with the growing disdain for the populist brand of politics playing out across the pond that Nige is so, so fond of.
 
Sheik Djibouti said:
I am more than happy for Farage to be involved because he always ends up falling out with everyone and screws it up for everyone else - he always has because it is always all about him. Deep down I'm sure you know it too. He's now got 4 years to show that he;s not just a chancer with his head firmly up Trumps rectum and more interested in what goes on in Washington than he is in Westminster. His persistent absenteeism to date in both the House and his constituency does not really paint a very good picture does it.

At least you recognise that it is a protest vote and that when it comes to something serious, Farage and co will likely be found wanting yet again. Especially when the electorate have 4 years of Parliamentary performance to judge them on, coupled with the growing disdain for the populist brand of politics playing out across the pond that Nige is so, so fond of.
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20 years in the political wilderness and deeply unpopular (until about 2012-2016) doesn't scream "all about me", to be honest.

I think the fact you seem so scared of Farage, and desperate to make him out as a Trumpian style leader, demonstrates that he's got you rattled. Ultimately the polls and the voting will show how popular Reform can be.

We're due to be much worse off as a country by 2030 - people are going to want change.
 
Basham Wonderland said:
Labour and the Conservatives have done such a good job managing immigration over the last 25 years, it would be utter madness to let another party with fresh ideas have a go...

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What I’m saying is that no Government could come in and start shipping immigrants elsewhere overnight
My point about other parties ( not just Reform) is that you have to abide by International Law
Not sure what they could do that already hasn’t been tried with the boat crossings
 
Sheik Djibouti said:
So, if 800 UK citizens had trained as butchers (or not left the profession), there wouldn't be a need, right? :unsure:
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It was my trade for some 30 years.
Its a skilled job and was well paid.
Then employers started importing workers from places like Portugal and later Eastern Europe, that drove down the hourly rate dramatically from £16 - £20 an hour to just over £10 (as it was a while ago)
Funny thing is we used to be employed on "job and finish" so crack on do the days work, get fairly paid for an average 10 hour shift, 8 hours basic/2 hours OT.
Along come the minimum wage folk and they stretch the work out to do more hours and what took 10 hours now took 14 hours+.....................and overtime had been scrapped.

Anyway............. simple fix to the boats - rescue them as per rules of the sea then put them on a ferry and drop them back in France as "undocumented arrivals".
Same as many others countries do if you rack up without paperwork.

Safe, humanitarian & efficient.
 
Essexyellows said:
It was my trade for some 30 years.
Its a skilled job and was well paid.
Then employers started importing workers from places like Portugal and later Eastern Europe, that drove down the hourly rate dramatically from £16 - £20 an hour to just over £10 (as it was a while ago)
Funny thing is we used to be employed on "job and finish" so crack on do the days work, get fairly paid for an average 10 hour shift, 8 hours basic/2 hours OT.
Along come the minimum wage folk and they stretch the work out to do more hours and what took 10 hours now took 14 hours+.....................and overtime had been scrapped.

Anyway............. simple fix to the boats - rescue them as per rules of the sea then put them on a ferry and drop them back in France as "undocumented arrivals".
Same as many others countries do if you rack up without paperwork.

Safe, humanitarian & efficient.
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I agree Essex - perfect!!
 
Basham Wonderland said:
20 years in the political wilderness and deeply unpopular (until about 2012-2016) doesn't scream "all about me", to be honest.

I think the fact you seem so scared of Farage, and desperate to make him out as a Trumpian style leader, demonstrates that he's got you rattled. Ultimately the polls and the voting will show how popular Reform can be.

We're due to be much worse off as a country by 2030 - people are going to want change.
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He's still deeply unpopular. More so than Kier Starmer according to YouGov: https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51840-political-favourability-ratings-march-2025
I am not sure why you think I am "rattled" by Farage. I have always found him pretty distasteful and I just like pointing out his repeated failures as a politician . . .and there's plenty to choose from. He's an utter shyster and maybe it is hope over belief on your part that is driving you to defend him so.

So, if he's popular, what does that make Starmer :unsure:
BadEnoch on the other hand . . .🫣:ROFLMAO:
 
Sheik Djibouti said:
BadEnoch on the other hand . . .🫣:ROFLMAO:
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Is this your private "Rachel from Accounts" moment or just a generic lefty thing?

Talking of Rachel........ how is the economy looking? When will "cost of living crisis" come back? How many people will be worse off? So many questions and so little #change. 😂 😂
 
Essexyellows said:
Is this your private "Rachel from Accounts" moment or just a generic lefty thing?

Talking of Rachel........ how is the economy looking? When will "cost of living crisis" come back? How many people will be worse off? So many questions and so little #change. 😂 😂
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You vote for Brexit despite being told it will damage the economy and then you stand back and laugh at the damaged economy. Not very patriotic really.
 
Essexyellows said:
It was my trade for some 30 years.
Its a skilled job and was well paid.
Then employers started importing workers from places like Portugal and later Eastern Europe, that drove down the hourly rate dramatically from £16 - £20 an hour to just over £10 (as it was a while ago)
Funny thing is we used to be employed on "job and finish" so crack on do the days work, get fairly paid for an average 10 hour shift, 8 hours basic/2 hours OT.
Along come the minimum wage folk and they stretch the work out to do more hours and what took 10 hours now took 14 hours+.....................and overtime had been scrapped.

Anyway............. simple fix to the boats - rescue them as per rules of the sea then put them on a ferry and drop them back in France as "undocumented arrivals".
Same as many others countries do if you rack up without paperwork.

Safe, humanitarian & efficient.
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Bloke is a skilled and trained butcher, then moves profession into the health service...

...if that isn't a new Netflix show, then it bloody should be 😁
 
The Mighty Aldo said:
What exactly?
Have you any ideas that don’t go against International Law if so please share them
If it was straightforward the Tories would have done it and now the Labour Party would
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What you are saying is that people can just turn up to any country and stay indefinitely, that's not true, try it in a few countries and see what happens? Defeats the whole point of statehood, you wouldn't need a passport as you could just rock up.

Don't no why people moaned about brexit and losing the right to live anywhere in the EU, according to you you can just go where you want and international law means you can stay there. Pop over to China and give that a go.
 
The Mighty Aldo said:
What exactly?
Have you any ideas that don’t go against International Law if so please share them
If it was straightforward the Tories would have done it and now the Labour Party would
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Deport them (Labour is considering a Balkan version of the Rwanda plan)

Withdraw £2bn of funding for hotel stays

Legislate that they will never be entitled for financial benefits or work permits if they arrive illegally

Prison for anyone arriving by boat

Free Eurostar tickets back to France if they don't like it.

If we're looking at going outside of international human rights law, aggressive tactics and increased presence in the channel to turn back the boats or stop their passage.
 
Essexyellows said:
It was my trade for some 30 years.
Its a skilled job and was well paid.
Then employers started importing workers from places like Portugal and later Eastern Europe, that drove down the hourly rate dramatically from £16 - £20 an hour to just over £10 (as it was a while ago)
Funny thing is we used to be employed on "job and finish" so crack on do the days work, get fairly paid for an average 10 hour shift, 8 hours basic/2 hours OT.
Along come the minimum wage folk and they stretch the work out to do more hours and what took 10 hours now took 14 hours+.....................and overtime had been scrapped.

Anyway............. simple fix to the boats - rescue them as per rules of the sea then put them on a ferry and drop them back in France as "undocumented arrivals".
Same as many others countries do if you rack up without paperwork.

Safe, humanitarian & efficient.
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Essex
On your first point it isn’t the workers fault it’s the employers
If you were getting great skilled workers keep them on don’t try to cut corners
Same thing happened in the building trade

As to your second point about the boats if it was that easy why didn’t the Conservatives do it?
 
holdsteady said:
What you are saying is that people can just turn up to any country and stay indefinitely, that's not true, try it in a few countries and see what happens? Defeats the whole point of statehood, you wouldn't need a passport as you could just rock up.

Don't no why people moaned about brexit and losing the right to live anywhere in the EU, according to you you can just go where you want and international law means you can stay there. Pop over to China and give that a go.
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I’m not saying that at all, what I’m saying is that if someone arrives here illegally they have to be processed. You are right they seem to do it in other countries
I’m sure if you turned up in China and were caught without a passport you would be held until they questioned you and then sent back.
I’m saying that is correct only we have such a backlog. As long as you aren’t sending them back to a country where they will be persecuted
 
Basham Wonderland said:
Deport them (Labour is considering a Balkan version of the Rwanda plan)

Withdraw £2bn of funding for hotel stays

Legislate that they will never be entitled for financial benefits or work permits if they arrive illegally

Prison for anyone arriving by boat

Free Eurostar tickets back to France if they don't like it.

If we're looking at going outside of international human rights law, aggressive tactics and increased presence in the channel to turn back the boats or stop their passage.
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Well
The prisons are full
If you don’t put them in hotels whilst they wait for processing they will be on the streets and you can’t track them
 
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The Mighty Aldo said:
I’m not saying that at all, what I’m saying is that if someone arrives here illegally they have to be processed. You are right they seem to do it in other countries
I’m sure if you turned up in China and were caught without a passport you would be held until they questioned you and then sent back.
I’m saying that is correct only we have such a backlog. As long as you aren’t sending them back to a country where they will be persecuted
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You might not be directly saying it but its what your words imply. Now you are implying that if enough immigrants turn up that the state they are trying to enters apparatus cannot cope with it then they get to stay, that's an unarmed invasion, not every country has the space or money to cope with huge numbers coming in at the same time time.

International law is not irrevocable, if it puts our citizens at risks and endangers the the welfare of this country then the right thing to do is ignore and do what is best for us.

We are either a sovereign state or we are not.
 
The Mighty Aldo said:
Well
The prisons are full
If you don’t put them in hotels whilst they wait for processing they will be on the streets and you can’t track them
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Both of those problems have solutions.

Probably best not get dragged into a conversation about hypothetical upon hypothetical. My point was just that we haven't come close to considering or genuinely attempting to put in place real measures to stop the boats.
 
QR said:
You vote for Brexit despite being told it will damage the economy and then you stand back and laugh at the damaged economy. Not very patriotic really.
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Hold on.... you said it was the Tories, cronyism and Liz Truss that fecked it?

As for EU actual economic growth................ what was it around 0.8% - 1% in 2024...?

Hardly booming is it............... maybe they miss us pissing in their pot and getting far less back. :)
 
The Mighty Aldo said:
Essex
On your first point it isn’t the workers fault it’s the employers
If you were getting great skilled workers keep them on don’t try to cut corners
Same thing happened in the building trade

As to your second point about the boats if it was that easy why didn’t the Conservatives do it?
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Didn`t work for my last employer, they ended up employing more people who took longer to do the job which killed the bottom line and they folded about 4 years after I left.

As for the boat solution - its so simple its farcical as to why it hasn`t been done by anyone.

You aren`t documented, we have the right to refuse you entry - get on this boat and goodbye.

However it appears all politicians lack two things............. common sense and kahoonas to do things that are tough.
 
The Mighty Aldo said:
What exactly?
Have you any ideas that don’t go against International Law if so please share them
If it was straightforward the Tories would have done it and now the Labour Party would
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Doesn’t seem to be stopping the US.

f**k the law.

You don’t get into Australia if you don’t want to work crop fields or if haven’t got a profession.

It should be the same here.

We are a soft country who are allowing our country to change before our eyes.
 
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