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International News Immigration

Londox said:
To be fair, the weather can be different in different areas of the country!

Unlike Egg, I can admit I'm wrong - but, can we agree on this wider point:

Naming your group something doesn't give you cart blanche to act how you want?

For example, let's say "Patriot Platform" (the balaclava boys) named themselves "Stand up to Rapists"

Now that's something we can all (except the occasional beeb employee) agree on.

However, there's no nuance to it. As covered on here, not everyone on the boats is a rapist. In fact probably a minority are.

It might make them feel like they can behave however they want, but it's not a fair position.

It might make it easy for people who agree with them to say for example "what does opposing standing up to rapists make you?"

It's an obsurd position.

I think we can find agreement on that. A name of an organisation really tells us very little about their motives and values.
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It's on the Oxfordshire border! There again you may live in Spain for all I know.
 
Londox said:
I agree with you. But the mainstream media only likes to focus on the far right.

This country has a serious issue with far left violence and not enough people are talking about it.
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Given the numerous reports about BLM, Just Stop Oil and Palestine Action across both right of centre and left of centre media should we conclude you don't think these organizations are 'far left'?
 
People appear to forget that life is about balance.

It started with blatant, dare I say, Facist racism - signs on pubs "No Blacks, No Irish". Very derogatory language, Moseley, National Front etc etc.

Eventually, through education such blatant racism was outlawed and educated away. About here we should have stopped, point of equilibium.

Then that wasn`t "enough" and you get groups like BLM and the protest groups that spring up everytime a criminal meets a sticky end.

We also got "positive discrimination" or DEI inclusivity where people score more for skin colour than how they present a CV.

And now, if you are White, you can not say anything about any subject, be it migration or who lives on your street without some frothing loon shouting "Racism" or "white privelege".

As ever the see saw is tipped too far in the opposing direction of the issue it was created to solve and by doing so it creates the same problem it was trying to fix.
 
Essexyellows said:
People appear to forget that life is about balance.

It started with blatant, dare I say, Facist racism - signs on pubs "No Blacks, No Irish". Very derogatory language, Moseley, National Front etc etc.

Eventually, through education such blatant racism was outlawed and educated away.
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If only that was the case. The reality is that racism has always existed, its just that, for a relatively short period, it because social unacceptable and people didn't openly express their views.

Now social media and some groups have given like minded people the platform to share the same views that was once hidden.

The P*** bashing of the 70's and 80's is now badged as anti-muslim, but the practice and hatred remains the same. I've heard the N word being used aggressively towards black people more in the last couple of years than during the previous 10-15 years. The "go back to where you came from" phrase is used by people from all walks of life, often against people who were born in this country.

Essexyellows said:
About here we should have stopped, point of equilibium.

Then that wasn`t "enough" and you get groups like BLM and the protest groups that spring up everytime a criminal meets a sticky end.
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Everytime?

Yes there were BLM protests, but these were 6 years ago. Since then there has been countless protests, demonstrations and disorder from those on the "right".
Essexyellows said:
We also got "positive discrimination" or DEI inclusivity where people score more for skin colour than how they present a CV.
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Does this actually happen in any great number? I've run recruitment campaigns and interviewed hundreds of people in thd last 10 years. Never once have I even noticed the ethnicity of someone prior to meeting them, and can honestly say that I've never given a job to anyone who isn't the best.

Of course we see a few jobs which are intended to balance ethnic representation in certain areas, but these are still relatively few and far between.

Essexyellows said:
And now, if you are White, you can not say anything about any subject, be it migration or who lives on your street without some frothing loon shouting "Racism" or "white privelege".

As ever the see saw is tipped too far in the opposing direction of the issue it was created to solve and by doing so it creates the same problem it was trying to fix.
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I've listened to, and engaged with plenty of people who have different views on immigration, and I'd never describe the vast majority of them as racist at all.

But to imply that no one holds racist views, or that racism no longer exists, is showing blind ignorance.
 
Thanks for the usual micro analysis ........... try thinking of the broader context and reality of life ouside your own rose tinted aurora before wafting on about "blind ignorance".

You know yourself recruitment shortlisting is scored throughout the public sector and those wonderful protected charecteristics can sway a score, and in certain instances, guarantee an interview.

"We see a few jobs which are intended to balance ethnic representation".................. and we should not see that. Best person for the job.

Nobody implied "no one holds" such views but the use of the "R" word is so frequently applied it has lost any impact and is now igniting/empowering those on the margins of extremism.

And, back on track............. tens of thousands of undocumented people, mostly from countries that "hate the West" arriving on our shores and being given free reign is the petrol on the bonfire.

And many people refuse to believe that and shrug their shoulders while putting it on the "difficult" pile.
 
Again, I've completed the sift for interviews that I and others have held. All blind sifted, never have I or anyone I've worked with ever looked at protective characteristics.

There is a guaranteed interview scheme, predominantly around disabilities. But even with this, the candidate would need to demonstrate that they meet the minimum requirements for the job even to be in with a shout. I've personally declined to proceed applications where the box is ticked but the standard is not met.

DEI is far more about ensuring that disabled, pregnant and the elderly are protected than any of this nonsense about "positive discrimination".

The fact that people would now be prepared to wear being labelled Racist as a badge of honour shows how far society has fallen. Especially when some of these people monetise their hatred and vile views.
 
Just reading that French taxi drivers help migrants get to the beeches in secret, its not a secret anymore ,but who would believe it the good old French.
 
Londox said:
Can someone explain to me how excluding white people is not racism?

CaseWhat happenedOutcome
Furlong v Chief Constable of Cheshire Police (2019)Cheshire Police treated 127 candidates who passed a threshold as effectively equal and then prioritised candidates with characteristics including being BME, female or LGBT. Matthew Furlong was a white heterosexual male who had performed strongly.✅ Furlong won. Tribunal found direct discrimination on grounds including race.
Turner-Robson, Bishop & Horton v Thames Valley Police (2024)Three white British officers were prevented from competing for a Detective Inspector vacancy. An ethnic-minority sergeant on a Positive Action Progression Scheme was placed into the position without a competitive process.✅ White officers won. Tribunal unanimously found direct race discrimination and called the appointment unlawful positive discrimination.
Coverley v Ministry of Defence (2025)A white male former serviceman challenged RAF recruitment after evidence emerged that female and ethnic-minority candidates had been prioritised for some training/recruitment places.❌ Coverley lost his individual claim. The tribunal nevertheless found it was clear that female and ethnic-minority candidates had been prioritised; Coverley's applications failed for other eligibility reasons.
Richardson v York & Scarborough NHS Trust (2026)A white NHS employee challenged a leadership programme restricted to BAME/non-white staff, arguing that excluding her because she was white amounted to race discrimination. This was training/career development rather than appointment to a job.❌ Richardson lost at first instance. The tribunal accepted that excluding white staff constituted different treatment but held the programme could be justified under the Equality Act's positive-action provisions. The case has subsequently been reported as under appeal.
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Racist hiring practices exist in this country - but only against white people.

The fact a working class white bloke can't apply for certain jobs but a privately educated wealthy black or brown person can is absolute abject institutional racism.
 
Scotchegg said:
Again, I've completed the sift for interviews that I and others have held. All blind sifted, never have I or anyone I've worked with ever looked at protective characteristics.

There is a guaranteed interview scheme, predominantly around disabilities. But even with this, the candidate would need to demonstrate that they meet the minimum requirements for the job even to be in with a shout. I've personally declined to proceed applications where the box is ticked but the standard is not met.

DEI is far more about ensuring that disabled, pregnant and the elderly are protected than any of this nonsense about "positive discrimination".

The fact that people would now be prepared to wear being labelled Racist as a badge of honour shows how far society has fallen. Especially when some of these people monetise their hatred and vile views.
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Out of interest do you do the initial sift from all applications?
In our NHS world HR do the first sift and points score with a minimum progress total which is matched to the JD plus DEI.
 
Essexyellows said:
Out of interest do you do the initial sift from all applications?
In our NHS world HR do the first sift and points score with a minimum progress total which is matched to the JD plus DEI.
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Whoever leads on the campaign completes the sift, so me or one of my peers. There are national campaigns which are now being sifted by AI but these do not score based on protective characteristics.
 
Londox said:
Racist hiring practices exist in this country - but only against white people.

The fact a working class white bloke can't apply for certain jobs but a privately educated wealthy black or brown person can is absolute abject institutional racism.
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The irony of what you have just posted though is that what your first two examples show where white people have invoked DEI, and THEY WON!

DEI is for ALL, not just non-whites, non-Christians and women.
 
boogaloo said:
The irony of what you have just posted though is that what your first two examples show where white people have invoked DEI, and THEY WON!

DEI is for ALL, not just non-whites, non-Christians and women.
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They didn't "invoke DEI"

They went through the courts to prove that DEI hiring practices were illegal, because they were racist.

Don't you find it pretty vile we have jobs adverts looking to exclude white people in this country?

What happened to judging a man on the content of his character not the colour of his skin?
 
Londox said:
The video does appear to show two segregated lines (male and female), do you not think that's the case?
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Doubling up for the freebies................... women grab theirs and meet the old man outside.......... if they did the usual of walking behind him the queue would be more chaotic.
 
Londox said:
The video does appear to show two segregated lines (male and female), do you not think that's the case?
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Its definitely the case but people don't believe it ,what are they doing to our country. And what's this about giving those terrorist from Fairford Bail .And the Danny Tommo is going to almost certainly get a prison sentence. TWO TIER BRITTAIN
 
Its unbelievable what's going on ,when you read ex terrorism police on the fairford incent the state are taking over this offence not the anti terrorism squad some thing really weird is happening here these people can't believe, another cover up .The wife of the farmer who called the police has said today there were 8 to 10 men not 5. I hope Trump goes mad about it ,and what Mahmood has come out with today is shocking so depressing.
 
Firstly, witness statements are notoriously unreliable, especially when you include factors like it being dark and the witness may have been in fear. Shadows from car headlights and people moving in the dark could easily make someone believe there were more than were found.

A helicopter was deployed quickly, which would almost certainly have heat seeking technology that would light up any other suspects for miles around.

And secondly, what difference will Trump make? Does anyone honestly believes that this is all a big cover up? But a couple of angry tweets from Trump will suddenly get everyone to reveal the "truth"?
 
Scotchegg said:
Firstly, witness statements are notoriously unreliable, especially when you include factors like it being dark and the witness may have been in fear. Shadows from car headlights and people moving in the dark could easily make someone believe there were more than were found.

A helicopter was deployed quickly, which would almost certainly have heat seeking technology that would light up any other suspects for miles around.

And secondly, what difference will Trump make? Does anyone honestly believes that this is all a big cover up? But a couple of angry tweets from Trump will suddenly get everyone to reveal the "truth"?
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Do the justice system/government pay you to constantly back them up?!
 
So we are opening the doors to opressed and otherwise mistreated Afghan and other nations women, whilst letting in the men that treat them like objects for their use on the boats.............. makes sense.....

526 arrived on Sunday..................
 
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