Current Staff If Gary Rowett goes

[38yearsofpain]

Id rather get a project manager in and accept that relegation is likely in all honesty, rather than go for another Rowett type who won’t be the person to try and rebuild if we do go down

I think the senior management need, if they are capable of it, is to establish exactly what they want the Oxford DNA to be, Then create a long term plan to develop that vision, find a manager and recruitment team that can build that vision. That is no easy task, but as we go from one fire fighter to another type of fire fighter we do not establish any long term playing style. Blubs like Brighton, know who their next manager is likely to be. We appear to be moving forward in a blindfold hoping and praying it is the right direction in a footballing sense. Everything feels like the current style approach is try and get out of the current hole by changing manager and style and hope we avoid the next hole. But when we are in the hole again, just start again by changing manager and style. This chaotic management approach simply is not sustainable particularly when you a a small fish in a very big pond.

 

[Billyox]

Given the budget that was cut, what more could he have done in the Summer?

Walden recruitment has been poor very poor

Ter avest: hardly plays
Kioso; On loan
Dale; On loan
Sibley; not in squad
Dembele; not in squad massive fee for what
Phillips; always injured
Bradshaw; not in squad
Al mizouni; sold
L harris; bench
Mills; bench
Romney; hasn’t played much
Prelec; bench

 

[90syeIlow]

Identified better players within the budget and listen to what the manager, an experienced football man, is telling you what they need.

Who do we go for that’s better than BDK, Spencer and Lankshear?

 

[Billyox]

Who do we go for that’s better than BDK, Spencer and Lankshear?

Ones that are better than vaulks sibbley Dale Ingram Dembele etc

 

[90syeIlow]

Ones that are better than vaulks sibbley Dale Ingram Dembele etc

This is a fair point, but would GR have got more out of better players? As it was mentioned above, so much of our squad has regressed this season.

He also has a record of blowing a huge budget at Stoke.

 

[AssHead]

Walden recruitment has been poor very poor

Ter avest: hardly plays
Kioso; On loan
Dale; On loan
Sibley; not in squad
Dembele; not in squad massive fee for what
Phillips; always injured
Bradshaw; not in squad
Al mizouni; sold
L harris; bench
Mills; bench
Romney; hasn’t played much
Prelec; bench

On the other hand …
Mills - good player but, frustratingly, GR doesn’t start him
Helik - our best player for the second half of last season
Davies - upgrade on Moore
Spencer - looks good to me. Starter.
BDK - best player at the club
Placheta - pure chaos
Vaulks - highly rated, works hard. Isn’t really mean to start every game. Long throw helped in second half of last season
Ben Nelson/ Will Lankshear / Matos - brilliant loan signings (I also thought Dane Scarlett was a great loan signing!)

It’s about 50/50 and I think that’s all that can be realistically expected.

 

[TheDukeOfBanburyshire]

The trouble with John Terry is he'd insist on wearing his full Chelsea kit at all times, which could be confusing to the players.

Also, I should add, there's the fact that he's a c**t.

 

[WE Yellow]

Tony Mowbray until the end of the season (health permitting) would be a no brainer for me.

 

[werthersoriginal]

I wouldn't mind John Terry someone like him would get respect from the players he's had a very successful playing career with lots of top managers. He's desperate to get into management so I think he would have fire in his belly to actually achieve something

Obviously it could be a complete disaster or it could be a real game changer for us

Either way Rowett pack your bags old boy and get out

Why would players respect John Terry? A dodgy dinosaur they probably don’t even remember being a player.

 

[carefreeoufc]

The trouble we’re going to have is that I suspect Rowett is well regarded by his peers and there will be several (established) managers who will look at our pre-season, our recruitment, our SLT and DoF and not fancy it.

OUFC as a club, with a new stadium on the horizon and wealthy ownership is an attractive proposition. Unfortunately, the clowns at the top have shown their true colours and make us far less attractive.

Anyone coming here now, would need to accept having their PPG significantly damaged and quite possibly a relegation against their name. Whilst also accepting you’ve got Dumb and Dumber running the show with an inexperienced DoF.

I suspect any manager will be from below us, or from out of the country. The likes of Terry, Gerard, Carick etc. will have zero interest.

 

[OX14]

Walden recruitment has been poor very poor

Ter avest: hardly plays
Kioso; On loan
Dale; On loan
Sibley; not in squad
Dembele; not in squad massive fee for what
Phillips; always injured
Bradshaw; not in squad
Al mizouni; sold
L harris; bench
Mills; bench
Romney; hasn’t played much
Prelec; bench

You can't really say Dale was a poor signing as we signed him when we were in league one and he was involved in the promotion season.

Romeny and Ter Avist haven't played much as they have been injured and when they have come back they have been thrown in and in different positions than they have played prior.

Dembele is a strange one as he would thrive in a decent team playing attacking football.

 

[tatabanya]

Walden recruitment has been poor very poor

Ter avest: hardly plays
Kioso; On loan
Dale; On loan
Sibley; not in squad
Dembele; not in squad massive fee for what
Phillips; always injured
Bradshaw; not in squad
Al mizouni; sold
L harris; bench
Mills; bench
Romney; hasn’t played much
Prelec; bench

Well any Head of Recruitment is going to look pretty poor if you only list their bad signings. Given we're all seemignly in agreement that our CEO is incompetent and our Chairman not much better, how did we end up in the best position in English football we've been in for three decades if the guy in charge of recruitment and strategy has also got everything wrong?

 

[carefreeoufc]

You can't really say Dale was a poor signing as we signed him when we were in league one and he was involved in the promotion season.

Romeny and Ter Avist haven't played much as they have been injured and when they have come back they have been thrown in and in different positions than they have played prior.

Dembele is a strange one as he would thrive in a decent team playing attacking football.

Dembele has proven that he won’t thrive at any team in the Championship.

I’m all for calling out poor decision making of the manager. But suggesting Dembele would thrive or Sibley needs to be on the bench (not you) is disingenuous.

One thing that was a massive error in hindsight (IMO) was getting rid of Rodrigues. Ok, he wasn’t a natural Championship player, but he did offer a bit of creativity and something different. We never replaced him. Although, I suspect you could argue that Krastev could play in that role.

 

[Stranger]

The trouble we’re going to have is that I suspect Rowett is well regarded by his peers and there will be several (established) managers who will look at our pre-season, our recruitment, our SLT and DoF and not fancy it.

OUFC as a club, with a new stadium on the horizon and wealthy ownership is an attractive proposition. Unfortunately, the clowns at the top have shown their true colours and make us far less attractive.

Anyone coming here now, would need to accept having their PPG significantly damaged and quite possibly a relegation against their name. Whilst also accepting you’ve got Dumb and Dumber running the show with an inexperienced DoF.

I suspect any manager will be from below us, or from out of the country. The likes of Terry, Gerard, Carick etc. will have zero interest.

Wayne Rooney is available...

(I'll just leave this here)

 

[Northstand Grandad]

Wayne Rooney is available...

(I'll just leave this here)

Yes the kitman needs an assistant

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

Who do we go for that’s better than BDK, Spencer and Lankshear?

Some of the better ones 22 other clubs appear to have!

Ed out.

 

[Nadi-]

Mistake was made when allowing someone of Mark Thomas ability to move on.
A director of football/head of recruitment
With management experience, coaching background and an extensive knowledge of scouting both here and abroad was needed.
And we went for the yts option instead of someone like Brian McDermott

 

[SSO]

Wayne Rooney is available...

(I'll just leave this here)

Did you get a Moderator warning for that?

 

[Swaby39]

The likelihood is if we sack Rowett, we aren’t then paying a fee for the replacement. That for me rules out Skubala, Wellens and Alexander who, if you were to make an appointment with an eye on L1, would be logical choices.

I’m not a major fan of stop gaps until the end of a season. It just leaves too much to do in the summer if it doesn’t work out, but we may have no option. Rowett should’ve been the man for a few seasons so whoever they get in, we need to buck our ideas up at board level. Our waste record on managers lately absolutely stinks. Who knows if Des would still be here had he got proper backroom support to help him evolve with the level. But 3 managers in 3 seasons is not a trend we want, and we failed them all in different ways.

So anyway, who’s out of work? My number one priority is someone who can lift chins off the floor and stand up to a challenge, but can do so with a calmness. Until we fix our mindset, tactics are never getting carried out effectively. Secondary to that is someone who believes in winning games rather than pick and choose what side we are by the direction of the wind. Thirdly is a relevant track record but I honestly see this as a nice-to-have as records don’t always translate while managers from total obscurity do amazing things (see Will Still/Eckert at Southampton). Carrick fits that brief perfectly if there were any possibility. Don’t ask, don’t get. I don’t think he’d come here and expect to dominate like he did at Boro. He’s smart enough to use what he has effectively and worked closely with some very pragmatic managers - experience that he could lean in to for balance. But he might be someone we needed to look at a month or two sooner, not when we're staring down the barrel.

Thorup is someone I think could do well over a longer term but there really are some good options around that shouldn't leave us chained to Rowett for fear's sake.

 

[Twiggy85]

Walden recruitment has been poor very poor

Ter avest: hardly plays
Kioso; On loan
Dale; On loan
Sibley; not in squad
Dembele; not in squad massive fee for what
Phillips; always injured
Bradshaw; not in squad
Al mizouni; sold
L harris; bench
Mills; bench
Romney; hasn’t played much
Prelec; bench

I do agree that the recruitment in that first summer has cost us, left us with a bloated squad and players we can’t offload. However since then I think the players we have bought in have been a far greater success

 

[Stranger]

Did you get a Moderator warning for that?

Still waiting

 

[Stranger]

Mistake was made when allowing someone of Mark Thomas ability to move on.
A director of football/head of recruitment
With management experience, coaching background and an extensive knowledge of scouting both here and abroad was needed.
And we went for the yts option instead of someone like Brian McDermott

He wasn't allowed to move on. He was given the boot

 

[tatabanya]

I do agree that the recruitment in that first summer has cost us, left us with a bloated squad and players we can’t offload. However since then I think the players we have bought in have been a far greater success

Manager change made a positive impact there with recruitment team given more autonomy

 

[mooro]

One valid point from the Dub - one reason why we pulled the trigger on des was that there was someone like Rowett sat there out of work to go for....

.... and I don't think that is the case right now - who is out there, ready to start straight away without needing extracting from elsewhere, that will be able to get our season going while bossing the window??

Still think (as George Elik said) maybe better the devil you know than go half way through the window with Craig short at the helm....

 

[Sarge]

I think the senior management need, if they are capable of it, is to establish exactly what they want the Oxford DNA to be, Then create a long term plan to develop that vision, find a manager and recruitment team that can build that vision. That is no easy task, but as we go from one fire fighter to another type of fire fighter we do not establish any long term playing style. Blubs like Brighton, know who their next manager is likely to be. We appear to be moving forward in a blindfold hoping and praying it is the right direction in a footballing sense. Everything feels like the current style approach is try and get out of the current hole by changing manager and style and hope we avoid the next hole. But when we are in the hole again, just start again by changing manager and style. This chaotic management approach simply is not sustainable particularly when you a a small fish in a very big pond.

agree^^

thing is, I dont think they- senior management, nor the recruitment team- are at all capable. To me they all seem to be incapable of doing the jobs they are employed to do

 

[SSO]

agree^^

thing is, I dont think they- senior management, nor the recruitment team- are at all capable. To me they all seem to be incapable of doing the jobs they are employed to do

And that last sentence is what will make any decent prospective target just walk the other way. Those managers with tickets on themselves and those with the experience are just going to see through them straight away. I would even suggest a few of them are changing their email addresses and mobile numbers right now so they don’t even get linked.

It’s not quite a poison chalice this job but the risk element to some of those without jobs at the moment is too great a step to take.

 

[werthersoriginal]

And that last sentence is what will make any decent prospective target just walk the other way. Those managers with tickets on themselves and those with the experience are just going to see through them straight away. I would even suggest a few of them are changing their email addresses and mobile numbers right now so they don’t even get linked.

It’s not quite a poison chalice this job but the risk element to some of those without jobs at the moment is too great a step to take.

Surely there is no risk and only reward? We aren’t expected to stay up so if a new guy keeps us up it’ll look great on his CV

 

[Coffin Dodger]

If we were to go down the old boy route, Andy Woodman should be a candidate, doing well with Bromley in L2 not got a clue about his style play.

 

[Northstandboy]

If we were to go down the old boy route, Andy Woodman should be a candidate, doing well with Bromley in L2 not got a clue about his style play.

If we were a lower L1 team I’d say maybe, but Woodman is not at the level we should be looking at.

 

[Essexyellows]

Changing the manager without pruning the dead wood above him will make no difference.

If those who "do the recruiting" aren`t up to the mark the person managing the hand they are dealt can`t take all the blame.