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[HayfieldYellow]

Apologies I must have missed my "climate change denying" bit.

I didn't say you were a climate-change denier. I just pointed out that you're using a statistic that's popular with climate-change deniers.

So yes 1% doing something can count................ but if 95% aren`t we are all f*cked.

But by that "logic", any and every 1% of the population can use the same excuse, so nobody has to do anything. Logically, that's a mess.

 

[HayfieldYellow]

Its changing without doubt , as the planet has for a very,very long time and will continue to do so after humanity is long gone.

Homo Sapien has only been around 315,000 years......... nothing but a pimple on the 4.54 billion years the planet has been around.

Are we currently having an impact .... absolutely.

And from that there will be consequences........ because we can`t "magic away" what has already happened.

No, but we can mitigate what we can - and you seem to be suggesting we (i.e. inhabitants of the UK) don't need to, "because China". Which, as I pointed out earlier, isn't logical. Each one of us can only change our own behaviour.

Meanwhile at EYTowers(Mk5) we are doing a tiny little bit to help....... solar, log burner, pond, re-wilding a third of the garden, wildflower meadow, swift box installed 2025 & invasive species control.

Results so far.......... 38 species of bird, 130 native plant species, countless bugs & invertebrates, frogs (new this year), active hedgehog & fox population and our first bat roost under the eaves

Good for you - but aside from the solar (and maybe log burner), those are mitigating habitat and diversity loss, and don't change your carbon footprint one iota.

 

[HayfieldYellow]

G20, G7, World Cup, Grand Prix all unnecessary air travel.............. the list goes on.

There's perhaps a paradox here: theoretically, everything we do has an impact, but we can't give up everything. So we need to prioritise - low-hanging fruit first. But we're not even doing the easy things.

 

[Village-Yellow]

"A celebrity is a hypocrite, so climate change is a myth."

More rock-solid logic there.

Not sure how you joined those dots. Weird.

You seem to have got a bit hot under the collar today and clearly missed the smiley face irony. No matter .

Anyway, it’s warm out, so go take a cold shower and calm the f**k down .

 

[Village-Yellow]

You need to change your second name.

 

[Essexyellows]

No, but we can mitigate what we can - and you seem to be suggesting we (i.e. inhabitants of the UK) don't need to, "because China". Which, as I pointed out earlier, isn't logical. Each one of us can only change our own behaviour.


Good for you - but aside from the solar (and maybe log burner), those are mitigating habitat and diversity loss, and don't change your carbon footprint one iota.

Cor blimey Mr Psycho Analysis..............

I`ve been on this planet a fair while. In 20 or 30 years I`ll be carbon myself.

Our carbon footprint is around 5.1t and you can calculate yours here https://carbon-calculator.climatehero.org/

You could call us "carbon aware" but we rank as carbon consumers like many people will.

 

[HayfieldYellow]

Not sure how you joined those dots. Weird.

Maybe it was when you wrote "No idea how we thawed out of the ice age", a familiar climate-change denier line.

But OK, maybe you're not a climate-change denier. You just happen to be making all the same points that climate-changers do. Emma Thompson flying to a Stop Oil event. Bill Gates buying a house by the sea, Greta Thunberg not physically walking to wherever she needs to go, me having a car and not being a vegetarian - all the familiar accusations of hypocrisy that climate change deniers make as if they have any bearing at all on the reality of man-made climate change.

You seem to have got a bit hot under the collar today and clearly missed the smiley face irony. No matter .

Anyway, it’s warm out, so go take a cold shower and calm the f**k down .

Yep, that's the sort of unemotional, respectful response that convinces me of your rationality and dedication to the facts.

 

[HayfieldYellow]

Cor blimey Mr Psycho Analysis..............

In what universe was my reply "psychoanalysis"? I was just pointing out that most of the actions you listed - while creditable - were not relevant to a discussion about the climate.

 

[Golden Dr Otto]

This is awkward

 

[Village-Yellow]

Maybe it was when you wrote "No idea how we thawed out of the ice age", a familiar climate-change denier line.

But OK, maybe you're not a climate-change denier. You just happen to be making all the same points that climate-changers do. Emma Thompson flying to a Stop Oil event. Bill Gates buying a house by the sea, Greta Thunberg not physically walking to wherever she needs to go, me having a car and not being a vegetarian - all the familiar accusations of hypocrisy that climate change deniers make as if they have any bearing at all on the reality of man-made climate change.


Yep, that's the sort of unemotional, respectful response that convinces me of your rationality and dedication to the facts.

I am not denying that the human race is an absolute f**k up, and whilst we may think we are intelligent, we are not. Any 'progress" we speak of is just sending us further down the road to destruction. Robots, A.I, energy sapping data centres, raping the earth of natural minerals and resources and establishing pointless space exploration programmes so that we can do exactly the same elsewhere.

As you said earlier, every little thing that we do could make a difference, yet I mention pointless plane trips and you criticsise my post.

However, we really can't control the power of the earth and the universe, hence my ironic reference to the ice age. For example, the Milankovitch Cycle is not something we have any control over regardless of how much energy we produce around the globe or how green we are trying to become or whether we fly, drive, walk, eat meat, eat veg or recycle etc.

If the earth wants a wobble, it will wobble.

I am not a disbeliever, but I do also believe that regardless of what we do this planet is destined to become a world unfit for humans. The pragmatist in me also says that I do not believe the human race truly has the ability to make the necessary adjustments. See previous comments on this thread about doing basic everyday things as not being the real problem. Well , when you have a global population of over 8 billion, growing to 10 billion in the next 50 years, seriously, what hope have we got? The small things are also the problem, yet we refuse to change.

Anyway, that's me. And apologies for the comment about calming down... I'm hot over here too. No disrespect was meant

 

[HayfieldYellow]

I am not denying that the human race is an absolute f**k up, and whilst we may think we are intelligent, we are not. Any 'progress" we speak of is just sending us further down the road to destruction. Robots, A.I, energy sapping data centres, raping the earth of natural minerals and resources and establishing pointless space exploration programmes so that we can do exactly the same elsewhere.

As you said earlier, every little thing that we do could make a difference, yet I mention pointless plane trips and you criticsise my post.

However, we really can't control the power of the earth and the universe, hence my ironic reference to the ice age. For example, the Milankovitch Cycle is not something we have any control over regardless of how much energy we produce around the globe or how green we are trying to become or whether we fly, drive, walk, eat meat, eat veg or recycle etc.

If the earth wants a wobble, it will wobble.

I am not a disbeliever, but I do also believe that regardless of what we do this planet is destined to become a world unfit for humans. The pragmatist in me also says that I do not believe the human race truly has the ability to make the necessary adjustments. See previous comments on this thread about doing basic everyday things as not being the real problem. Well , when you have a global population of over 8 billion, growing to 10 billion in the next 50 years, seriously, what hope have we got? The small things are also the problem, yet we refuse to change.

Anyway, that's me. And apologies for the comment about calming down... I'm hot over here too. No disrespect was meant

Thanks for the gracious response. And I take back some of my criticisms too.

My understanding, however, is that the current changes we're seeing are way beyond anything that can be explained by the Milankovitch Cycles. I found this a good explainer of what they actually are and what they do. I hope you're open-minded enough to take a look.

How Earth’s Climate Changes Naturally (and Why Things Are Different Now)

Earth’s climate has fluctuated through deep time, pushed by these 10 different causes. Here’s how each compares with modern climate change.

www.quantamagazine.org

I'm a little less cynical than you - I think (well, hope) that all is not lost. But it will take acceptance, commitment and yes, possibly, sacrifices that I'm not sure many people are prepared to make, more's the pity. Especially with idiots like Trump, Musk, Putin and co holding the reins and controlling the narrative.

 

[carefreeoufc]

This is the hypocrisy of it all when it comes to being told to save energy, go electric and being more "green".

Going green and reduce UK emissions... er yeah, by buying solar panels and cars manufactured in China.

All we do is move our emissions to another country and pat ourselves on the back for it.

It’s one of the reasons why both the EU (prior to us) and the UK have introduced CBAM (Carbon Borders Adjustment Mechanism) which places additional tariffs on companies who are importing carbon intensive products or materials from outside countries. Materials including steel, aluminium and ceramics are all covered.

It’s also worth reading the Draghi Report and EU Competitive Compass that highlight the issue of reliance on Chinese manufacturing and the carbon associated with it. It’s one of the reasons why a lot of money is being invested into European mining and net-zero technologies that reuse “redundant” materials. It’s seen as an opportunity to develop long term manufacturing and GDP growth whilst removing reliance on a “bad actor”.

 

[Basham Wonderland]

Consumers need to actively change behavior.

If everyone started using ECOgpt (you could download right now if you cared); if folks ate less red meat; if you went and bought an EV car rather than just pointing at the fossil fuel industry as if it’s some conniving miscreant forcing you to drive a gas guzzler or get on a plane; if you installed solar panels; etc etc

I work in the fossil fuel industry. It’s not ethically perfect but a lot of people rationalize their own behaviours by just pointing and saying “bad”. But when that industry invested in EV charging, solar, wind, consumers didn’t make the switch to make that investment profitable, and so naturally market forces see them pivot back to hydrocarbon. You really do have more power than you think as consumers. But in some cases it may mean financial cost or lifestyle inconvenience, and that hurdle seems too high for a quorum of the wests population

If everyone in the fossil fuel industry quit their jobs...

 

[Basham Wonderland]

Climate change is very real, but I do take issue with how we're going about things.

Net zero is an arbitrary target that looks at this country in isolation, rather than the world as a whole. This means the environmental catastrophies caused by mining the metals in the batteries are ignored because it's not happening here. A car with a small, efficient internal combustion engine will cause less environmental damage in its lifetime than an electric car. We get lied to because they are marketed as environmentally friendly, when the main benefit is actually air quality.

Because we've signed up to this arbitrary target, Ed Miliband and the govt have realised that the easiest way to make progress is by destroying the manufacturing industry. Why would we make our own wind turbines here and give working class people employment, when we can outsource it to China? So what if they're stuffed with asbestos, the emissions from producing them aren't on our spreadsheet and that's all that matters.

Spot on!!

 

[Northstandboy]

Saw a story from The Telegraph about a council asking residents to remove portable aircon units!

The story was behind a paywall though.

Was looking at the Lidl 9000BTU unit, priced at a decent £170. Due to be launched today but seems like it went on sale yesterday! Sold out everywhere.

It’s got me thinking I need a stronger unit though, so looking at a 12000BTU, that’s still not beefy enough for the room I’ll be using it in!

 

[carefreeoufc]

If everyone in the fossil fuel industry quit their jobs...

We’d be a bit f@cked, particularly when Equinor, Baker Hughes, Repsol and Aramco are investing billions into renewables. Yes, they’re taking money where they can, but their renewable R&D is genuinely years ahead of most companies.

After you’ve passed Greta (who was giving a speech when I turned up) at ONS in Stavanger, head to the big O&G companies, they only stay rich if there’s a planet for us to be on. It’s consumerism that needs to change.

 

[Basham Wonderland]

Saw a story from The Telegraph about a council asking residents to remove portable aircon units!

The story was behind a paywall though.

Was looking at the Lidl 9000BTU unit, one £170. Due to be launched today but seems like it went on sale yesterday!

It’s got me thinking I need a stronger unit though, so looking at a 12000BTU, that’s still not beefy enough for the room I’ll be using it in!

I've got one - don't bother if it's much more expensive.

If you get a portable, it's likely to have a single pipe system, which means the unit is sucking air out of the room (instead of the outdoors) to create the colder air. It then pumps that used air out of the pipe and outside. What that means is you end up creating a low pressure environment in your room, which ends up sucking in hot air from outside. So although you'll be cooler - you're ultimately just sucking more hot air into the house.

We've noticed this - when the unit is on upstairs, our downstairs gets much warmer.

So, the strongest portable unit might actually be worse for your home!! Be careful.

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

1 in 25 year thunderstorm event forecast for tonight. Looks like it'll be just north of Oxfordshire sadly/thankfully.

 

[Village-Yellow]

Thanks for the gracious response. And I take back some of my criticisms too.

My understanding, however, is that the current changes we're seeing are way beyond anything that can be explained by the Milankovitch Cycles. I found this a good explainer of what they actually are and what they do. I hope you're open-minded enough to take a look.

How Earth’s Climate Changes Naturally (and Why Things Are Different Now)

Earth’s climate has fluctuated through deep time, pushed by these 10 different causes. Here’s how each compares with modern climate change.

www.quantamagazine.org

I'm a little less cynical than you - I think (well, hope) that all is not lost. But it will take acceptance, commitment and yes, possibly, sacrifices that I'm not sure many people are prepared to make, more's the pity. Especially with idiots like Trump, Musk, Putin and co holding the reins and controlling the narrative.

That is a really good article .

 

[Marked Ox]

1 in 25 year thunderstorm event forecast for tonight. Looks like it'll be just north of Oxfordshire sadly/thankfully.

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BOOOOOOOOO!!!! Thunderstorms are spectacular.

 

[Mike_H]

We were on holiday in France a few years ago and the house we were staying in had a Rowenta Turbo Silence fan that was very good and had a silent (well fairly silent) mode for night-time.

Bought one on eBay and was so pleased with it we bought another. They came from Germany so of course need an adaptor to a British plug, but very pleased with them.

It was a "Rowenta Turbosilence Stand Extreme VU5640 Night Mode and Turbo Boost" or a "ROWENTA VU 5640 Standventilator Ventilator Klimagerät Luftkühler Oszillierend" which was £87 in April 2020 and Euro 83 in June 2020 respectively. , not sure what it would be now.

 

[Matty Greens Left Boot]

I'm probably one of the biggest climate advocates here. I run a heat pump have so many solar panels on my roof there is no space for any more. No children (by far the worse thing the average person can do for the planet in terms of co2 production), oppose immigration (bringing people from a low co2 country to a high is bad for the climate clog up the roads with extra traffic and dont forget about their journeys home to see family as the biggest fliers i know are people not from the UK of have emigrated family members) and work 15 hour days to grow my own locally produced food.

As a meritocracist fiscally conservative socially libertarian green (yes some of us old green still exist) I personally i think we should each have a carbon budget each year. It would be a market so people can sell theirs, so those who live in an energy efficient way can profit. You choose to have kids then no flying, If you choose to run a ferrari but own a forest then that's fine too. Everyone is up to them to choose how to spend their money/carbon credits, meritocracy style you mess up you suffer the consequences. you cant spend more carbon than the carbon budgeted amount. Be that through having children going abroad to see family or through general consumption. You want to eat avoocado well that should be seen as an expensive luxury or al least much more expensive than an apple. Want to just eat a high meat diet again your choice pay for it elsewhere.

eventually we need to reduce the population down to a sustainable level. The population doubled during the industrial revolution. That wasnt sustainable there needs to be a decent long term soultion to the economy that doesnt rely on infinite population growth like the current ecconomic system.

 

[Yellowmania]

1 in 25 year thunderstorm event forecast for tonight. Looks like it'll be just north of Oxfordshire sadly/thankfully.

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That’s a big swing in temperature in the thunderstorm, says it’s going to be -42c. I’ve got my gloves and scarf at the ready.

 

[Digby]

I cannot sleep for the life of me , so damned hot ! Was going to buy a fan but everywhere has sold out , well the stand up ones anyway.

 

[chuckbert]

However, we really can't control the power of the earth and the universe, hence my ironic reference to the ice age. For example, the Milankovitch Cycle is not something we have any control over regardless of how much energy we produce around the globe or how green we are trying to become or whether we fly, drive, walk, eat meat, eat veg or recycle etc.

If the earth wants a wobble, it will wobble.

This is another climate denial trope.
“We can’t control the power of the earth” is only a meaningful statement if you mean “man-made climate change isn’t possible”.
What recent temperature changes show is that in a very short space of time humans have managed to substantial effect the earth’s climate, with changes of the same magnitude of the kinds of uncontrollable natural forces that you mention. We are currently causing the earth to have a wobble, it’s not just a passive thing that was happening anyway.

 

[QR]

I am not denying that the human race is an absolute f**k up, and whilst we may think we are intelligent, we are not. Any 'progress" we speak of is just sending us further down the road to destruction. Robots, A.I, energy sapping data centres, raping the earth of natural minerals and resources and establishing pointless space exploration programmes so that we can do exactly the same elsewhere.

As you said earlier, every little thing that we do could make a difference, yet I mention pointless plane trips and you criticsise my post.

However, we really can't control the power of the earth and the universe, hence my ironic reference to the ice age. For example, the Milankovitch Cycle is not something we have any control over regardless of how much energy we produce around the globe or how green we are trying to become or whether we fly, drive, walk, eat meat, eat veg or recycle etc.

If the earth wants a wobble, it will wobble.

I am not a disbeliever, but I do also believe that regardless of what we do this planet is destined to become a world unfit for humans. The pragmatist in me also says that I do not believe the human race truly has the ability to make the necessary adjustments. See previous comments on this thread about doing basic everyday things as not being the real problem. Well , when you have a global population of over 8 billion, growing to 10 billion in the next 50 years, seriously, what hope have we got? The small things are also the problem, yet we refuse to change.

Anyway, that's me. And apologies for the comment about calming down... I'm hot over here too. No disrespect was meant.

You make some good points but what infuriates is your reference to the Milakovitch cycle along side your statement 'we can't really control the power of the earth'' because, in the context of man-made global warming, it's a false equivalent trotted out regularly by climate change deniers.

 

[LegoGiraffee]

To go full circle. Had a lie in today (kids woke me at 7am not 5am) came downstairs to mother in law ironing again, I just don't understand.

 

[chuckbert]

To go full circle. Had a lie in today (kids woke me at 7am not 5am) came downstairs to mother in law ironing again, I just don't understand.

To be fair I stopped understanding ironing full stop about 30 years ago.

 

[ZeroTheHero]

I stopped understanding my mother-in-law about the same time...

(The ghost of Bernard Manning enters the room)

 

[Golden Dr Otto]

If everyone in the fossil fuel industry quit their jobs...

Then they’d be replaced the next day by someone with less integrity , or as is happening, someone in India . But more than that huge swathes of jobs are going to AI. It’s absolutely shocking, scary, and I worry what jobs will be left to the next generation. Currently about 40% of roles will be removed in the next 2 years.