He has to go....

If he was ever going to be sacked I thought it may have been after the Luton game. Now I feel it would be pointless sacking him at this stage of the season, would anyone have faith in Tiger to find decent replacement? Safest job in the football league.
 
Totally agree with you ryaniobirdio, but if anyone can do a better job wouldn’t it be better to get anyone in to try and keep us up?, tiger is as much of a waste of space as kr but no one knows how the next games are going to go, Rochdale sacked their manager as did Bradford in the last fortnight and both won at the weekend, I’m not saying it’s a proven method but we are back in the s**t again and doing nothing makes it seem like we are accepting this s**t.
 
KR
Cass63 said:
Totally agree with you ryaniobirdio, but if anyone can do a better job wouldn’t it be better to get anyone in to try and keep us up?, tiger is as much of a waste of space as kr but no one knows how the next games are going to go, Rochdale sacked their manager as did Bradford in the last fortnight and both won at the weekend, I’m not saying it’s a proven method but we are back in the st again and doing nothing makes it seem like we are accepting this st.
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KR lost his first game in charge of us
 
Pete Burrett said:
You won't get many excuses, but you might get a few more rational observations.

This just proves football is a game of fine margins. Two wins in a row and most posters on here were in good spirits. A minute away from a creditable point at Gillingham which would have kept everyone reasonably happy, then a lapse in defence and we're back in the relegation zone.

I don't think Robinson has proved himself capable of a promotion push next season, even if he was given money to spend, but he's going nowhere as Tiger is still in love, so we're rather stuck with him.

On to Rochdale. If we fail there then maybe abject pessimism would be more appropriate.
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I have not once changed my mind on him even after a couple of wins, draws or defeats. I do accept that some of our fans, are jumping from keeping him to removing him based on a single positive or negative result.

He could win the next four games and I still want him out.

For a man who proudly and calmly away from matchday interviews conducts himself relatively coherently and insists he is man who never offers excuses he acts in the polar opposite for the rest of the time. For a guy who infered the fans won't break or come between his 'bond/close relationship' with Tiger he has a delusional view of himself. He is disingenuous in the media and when talking about his players.

Following the disgraceful behaviour and antics around Gavin Whyte and his call-up to his country which shamed our football club, he now has demanded an official be sacked. Let alone the constant unprofessional digs towards other officials. Derry and Robinson are one removed from Evans and Rayner IMO.

He might be an exceptional coach but he's an awful football manager. But don't worry, we're one win away from 13th..................and those who jump about can say they've been proved right that we were right to stick with him. This is now the current PR line. Desperate.

Tiger will get what he deserves with Robinson in charge.
 
Simon Bradders said:
I have not once changed my mind on him even after a couple of wins, draws or defeats. I do accept that some of our fans, are jumping from keeping him to removing him based on a single positive or negative result.

He could win the next four games and I still want him out.

For a man who proudly and calmly away from matchday interviews conducts himself relatively coherently and insists he is man who never offers excuses he acts in the polar opposite for the rest of the time. For a guy who infered the fans won't break or come between his 'bond/close relationship' with Tiger he has a delusional view of himself. He is disingenuous in the media and when talking about his players.

Following the disgraceful behaviour and antics around Gavin Whyte and his call-up to his country which shamed our football club, he now has demanded an official be sacked. Let alone the constant unprofessional digs towards other officials. Derry and Robinson are one removed from Evans and Rayner IMO.

He might be an exceptional coach but he's an awful football manager. But don't worry, we're one win away from 13th..................and those who jump about can say they've been proved right that we were right to stick with him. This is now the current PR line. Desperate.

Tiger will get what he deserves with Robinson in charge.
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Yes, he’s a very poor manager but nothing he has done this season has remotely suggested he might be a good coach, let alone an exceptional one.
 
"We defended well today but just lacked a little bit of quality in the final third ".
But hasn't that been the problem most of the season? The point is nothing is changing. Whether you accept Robinson is staying or not - until he changes his approach the same result is likely every game.
IMO until 4 4 2 is tried consecutively it will be the same old story with no real threat on the opposition goal with a lone striker and our wingers who are often doubled up on (easy to do when there's only one striker to worry about) and no midfielder who has the confidence or consistency to make penalty area runs and put the ball in the net.
 
Can't help but feel we are sleep walking into relegation. We're coming up to the crucial part of the season, and we're still in the relegation places on what he claims was a top 8 budget. He's had 36(!) games to pull us out of a mess, but nothings changed, we are where we are on merit. Constantly saying IF we win bla bla matches we'll be 13th... IF we got that penalty we'd be up the table... fine margins but we keep coming off second best. These "Ifs, buts and maybes" aren't coming true.

Do I trust him to pull us out of relegation in our final 10 games when he hasn't done so after 36? Nope, not one bit. I also don't care what fixtures we have left and how they are "easier on paper". Easier than what? We're one of the worst 4 teams in the division, the only teams lower than us are not much worse than us. They've changed their managers and god help us if they put together any consistent runs under the new gaffas, we'll just continue inconsistently plodding along with KR until we're 4th bottom with just Luton to play...

Seriously starting to worry now.
 
RyanioBirdio makes so excellent points on this thread. I think all fans are behind the team an the club but there is no way we should be expected to be behind KR (unless its to shove him out of the door). At this club KR has been nothing short of a disaster a few improved results now won't change that. I'm not a big fan of sacking managers but there are few who deserve it more than KR, and yet due to the insanity that is our club he seems to have a job for life.

My big fear is what effect this will have on us next season. Survive or relegated if KR stays I think season ticket sales and attendances will be down. Despite his vacuous promises I see another transfer window of badly planned transfers, last minute deals and an endless succession of loans, cripples, and has beens. If we are relegated we could well struggle under KR in league 2.

It is a shame what affect this has had on the fans. Yes there is some anger, but heavens what a lot off apathy. There is little fight in this fan base and that is understandable to some extent (how can you fight someone who you have no idea what they are doing and isn't there).

Personally I will be delighted if we survive, it will feel like an absolute victory after this awful season. It won't however change my feeling towards KR. I would love for him to prove me wrong and for next season to be an almighty success. I gravely fear though the exact opposite will be true.
 
I don't get this 'its too late' argument.

Not that it is wrong if anyone has changed their mind, but I have firmly been in the KR out camp for a few months now. For a long time he has not been a good short, medium or long term option for us and for me it is just another sad indictment of Tiger's pathetic leadership.

New managers do not always get the positive bounce that is sometimes assumed, but I think the chances of getting someone who would do worse in the last 10 games is negligible. He has had some of last season and 36 games of the current season, he is all over the place - poor team selection, still bizarre post match quotes.

I think the risk of changing him is minimal, it can't get much worse. Give someone else the chance to assess the squad, the same chance KR had last season.

Tiger may not be able to afford / willing to change him, even if that is the case that should not deter us from airing our views. I'll support the players but not KR, get rid.
 
Upthecowboys said:
I don't get this 'its too late' argument.

Not that it is wrong if anyone has changed their mind, but I have firmly been in the KR out camp for a few months now. For a long time he has not been a good short, medium or long term option for us and for me it is just another sad indictment of Tiger's pathetic leadership.

New managers do not always get the positive bounce that is sometimes assumed, but I think the chances of getting someone who would do worse in the last 10 games is negligible. He has had some of last season and 36 games of the current season, he is all over the place - poor team selection, still bizarre post match quotes.

I think the risk of changing him is minimal, it can't get much worse. Give someone else the chance to assess the squad, the same chance KR had last season.

Tiger may not be able to afford / willing to change him, even if that is the case that should not deter us from airing our views. I'll support the players but not KR, get rid.
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Two of our closest rivals clearly don’t think it is “too late”!
 
Upthecowboys not so sure about it can't get worse, remember the last time Tiger set about appointing a new manager. Anything like that again and we would be lucky to get a manager before the end of the season. Plus if we perform like we did under Faz relegation is assured.

IF the owner would sack KR and IF he had a half decent replacement immediately lined up then the new manager could see us safe. However its almost as likely KR can do the same (the thing is it would be the Jim/ Patto relegation argument all over again).

Given what we know of Tiger it may well be safer to stick for now with KR (and pray he can do it).
 
Has anyone thought that to bring in a new guy (outside of the club) that person would want a decent wedge to steer us to survival just a thought !
 
Upthecowboys said:
I don't get this 'its too late' argument.

Not that it is wrong if anyone has changed their mind, but I have firmly been in the KR out camp for a few months now. For a long time he has not been a good short, medium or long term option for us and for me it is just another sad indictment of Tiger's pathetic leadership.

New managers do not always get the positive bounce that is sometimes assumed, but I think the chances of getting someone who would do worse in the last 10 games is negligible. He has had some of last season and 36 games of the current season, he is all over the place - poor team selection, still bizarre post match quotes.

I think the risk of changing him is minimal, it can't get much worse. Give someone else the chance to assess the squad, the same chance KR had last season.

Tiger may not be able to afford / willing to change him, even if that is the case that should not deter us from airing our views. I'll support the players but not KR, get rid.
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I don't think that many would disagree with much of this - and I don't think people are supporting Robinson (or think much of STs inaction!). I personally also agree that the risk of getting rid of him is minimal. But the point is that ST simply is not going to sack him, so that's a moot point.

So the point to consider is: would booing the manager on a match day (for example) make for a more supportive atmosphere for the players to perform in? After all - we certainly don't be recruiting a new manager in L2. I don't think so, so I won't be booing (although I certainly won't be clapping him!). Don't take that as support for the bloke though. It isn't.
 
ZeroTheHero said:
I don't think that many would disagree with much of this - and I don't think people are supporting Robinson (or think much of STs inaction!). I personally also agree that the risk of getting rid of him is minimal. But the point is that ST simply is not going to sack him, so that's a moot point.

So the point to consider is: would booing the manager on a match day (for example) make for a more supportive atmosphere for the players to perform in? After all - we certainly don't be recruiting a new manager in L2. I don't think so, so I won't be booing (although I certainly won't be clapping him!). Don't take that as support for the bloke though. It isn't.
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Exactly this. I’d love the guy to be sacked today and replaced with almost anybody for the final run of fixtures, because I think we’re screwed if he stays anyway, and that even if we somehow stay up it would merely save his job and he’d ruin us good and proper next season. I cannot stress how much I want him out and have done for many, many months. As have countless others. But he isn’t going anywhere.

When we are mathematically down or mathematically safe, however, all bets are off. The second we have nothing to protect or play for there will be no signs of apathy from all bar the most idiotic of happy clappers.
 
ZeroTheHero said:
I don't think that many would disagree with much of this - and I don't think people are supporting Robinson (or think much of STs inaction!). I personally also agree that the risk of getting rid of him is minimal. But the point is that ST simply is not going to sack him, so that's a moot point.

So the point to consider is: would booing the manager on a match day (for example) make for a more supportive atmosphere for the players to perform in? After all - we certainly don't be recruiting a new manager in L2. I don't think so, so I won't be booing (although I certainly won't be clapping him!). Don't take that as support for the bloke though. It isn't.
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I’m sure the players realise he’s unpopular with the fan base.
 
I don’t think that because I’m not yelling from the roof tops that I want KR out in any way makes me apathetic. I honestly can’t see any alternative at the moment that I think would give us a better chance of survival. (Pretty sad that though, isn’t it). Changes sometimes work and sometimes don’t. I think it’s something of a myth that if you change your manager you’ll be okay almost every time. Look at Fulham.

This doesn’t mean I’m a KR fan. I’m trying to be realistic, which is bloody difficult in the circumstances.

We all think it’s pretty clear that Tiger ain’t going to sack him any time soon. For a start he probably can’t afford it. It’s costing him more than he thought anyway to own OUFC.

Given that we all want the club to stay up it makes sense to get behind the team. Focusing on negativity towards the manager on match days isn’t helpful. There will obviously be no chorus of Karl Robinson’s yellow & blue army even if we were to win 5-0 at Spotland though.

We keep coming back to these fine margins, which no doubt they are but it’s becoming tiresome that we keep coming down on the wrong side of that thing dividing line. We rarely get hammered though. Can’t remember the last time we ourselves gave a team a good hiding either.
Whether people like it or not it was a fact that before the Gillingham game there was a chance we could have ended the day in 13th. It is also a fact that we actually ended up in 21st.

We can’t climb any higher than 16th at close of play tomorrow and the only way we’ll drop a place is if we were to get beaten. If that were to happen I think even the most optimistic amongst our fan base would be wavering big time.

I’m not sure if I’ll be travelling up north tomorrow with hope, expectation (of something good happening as it did at Blackpool) or in dread of the outcome.
 
He did say it. Not only on iFollow, it is quoted in the 'Robinson on Rochdale' match preview.

The full quote is: "Our performances haven’t let the fans down this season but the results certainly have and we need to start putting that right now."

We must have been really, really unlucky with all those excellent performances that have ended up with bad results! He is delusional.
 
yellowbow said:
Just listening to Robinson’s interview pre-Rochdale on Ifollow.

‘Our performances haven’t let the supporters down this season..’

Bloody hell... ?
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The man is an idiot. I would EXPECT to win at a struggling club with an appalling defensive record. If we win 5-0 Robinson is STILL an incompetent clueless idiot. We’ll STILL be relegation-threatened. It doesn’t change the fact that this season he has overseen a disaster. He STILL needs to go.
We won’t win 5-0 of course.
 
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