bazzer9461
Level: Joey Beauchamp
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I saw this today and I think it’s quite apt.
National News Harry Dunn crash
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Essexyellows
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Harry Dunn crash death: US woman to be charged
Prosecutors said they had started extradition proceedings via the Home Office against Anne Sacoolas.
www.bbc.co.uk
And rightly so...... justice takes time.
bazzer9461
Level: Joey Beauchamp
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Just hope their foreign office agree to the extradition or will trump try and gazing it.Harry Dunn crash death: US woman to be charged
Prosecutors said they had started extradition proceedings via the Home Office against Anne Sacoolas.
And rightly so...... justice takes time.
Essexyellows
Level: Cameron Brannagan
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Its taken its time but it looks like some kind of justice will take place.
www.bbc.co.uk
Harry Dunn death: Path clear for virtual trial, says foreign secretary
Dominic Raab says the UK can approach Anne Sacoolas's lawyers about holding some form of virtual trial.
www.bbc.co.uk
Marked Ox
Level: Mickey Lewis
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Its taken its time but it looks like some kind of justice will take place.
Harry Dunn death: Path clear for virtual trial, says foreign secretary
Dominic Raab says the UK can approach Anne Sacoolas's lawyers about holding some form of virtual trial.
That seems the worse of both worlds. It is nice she is willing to serve a community service, how big of her. It should be 15000+ hours community service which involves her cleaning the streets and pavements in her state with a toothbrush.
Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
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Why?Because of the 'offence' or the fact that she went back to the US rather than stay.
ubermeistervonmeat
Level: Andy Crosby
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The offence itself (particularly leaving thec scene) would usually result in an immediate custodial sentence
Essexyellows
Level: Cameron Brannagan
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Incorrect.
Causing death by dangerous driving – Sentencing
www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk
Maximum: 14 years’ custody.
Minimum disqualification of 2 years with compulsory extended re-test.
ubermeistervonmeat
Level: Andy Crosby
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how is my comment incorrectIncorrect.
Triable on indictmentCausing death by dangerous driving – Sentencing
Maximum: 14 years’ custody.
Minimum disqualification of 2 years with compulsory extended re-test.
Essexyellows
Level: Cameron Brannagan
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"Usually result in an immediate custodial sentence"
And she didn`t leave the scene as she co-operated with the police and was breathalysed according to Wiki,
Death of Harry Dunn - Wikipedia
The mitigation of a good QC will see her sentence being non-custodial.
She didn't leave the scene, one of the falsehoods which have been reported.
Marked Ox
Level: Mickey Lewis
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It is the presumption that as she has gone back to the US she/her lawyers can dictate the type of sentence she gets if found guilty. That to me isn't justice.
For the offence or going back to the USA?
She has admitted to the offence so we know she caused the death by accidentally driving on the wrong side of the road, what sentence do you think is justified?
Scotchegg
Level: James Constable
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Death by careless or dangerous driving. 2 years custodial would be the minimum I would expect.
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bazzer9461
Level: Joey Beauchamp
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Not always a woman drone round the Milton interchange missed her turning carried on and drove through red lights and hit and killed a motorbike rider, non custodial a pittance of a punishment and if my memory serves me correct only a small driving ban. So a minimum custodial is not always a given right.
Scotchegg
Level: James Constable
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It's the minimum that I would expect, but that doesn’t mean it would happen. In my opinion taking someone's life should warrant a custodial sentence no matter how unfortunate the events were.
Careless driving can't see it being a two year sentence, possibly custodial for dangerous. I guess from my perspective it has since emerged that this seems to be a problem with a system gone wrong causing the accident. I just hope things are being done to fix this.
Marked Ox
Level: Mickey Lewis
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That is for the Court to decide, not her or her lawyers dictating what it can be as I explained.
Yes, agree it is for court to decide, but my question was what you thought was justified? If you don't have a view, no worries, i was just curious.
Marked Ox
Level: Mickey Lewis
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I was being facetious about the community hours before tbh.
I don't have a view, I just don't find it acceptable for her or her lawyers to decide the outcome. This isn't the US legal system of negotiation, this is the British legal system.
I think it is a cop out in terms of justice and I hope we reciprocate for a virtual trial and the accused to say what sentence they should face on a high profile case in the future where the US demand extradition.
ubermeistervonmeat
Level: Andy Crosby
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If convicted of Causing Death by Dangerous Driving, immediate custody is almost a certainty - if convicted of the same by Careless then yes Suspended Sentence Order would be possible"Usually result in an immediate custodial sentence"
And she didn`t leave the scene as she co-operated with the police and was breathalysed according to Wiki,
Death of Harry Dunn - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
The mitigation of a good QC will see her sentence being non-custodial.
ubermeistervonmeat
Level: Andy Crosby
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Depends on which offence she was actually prosecutedfor/convicted of
ubermeistervonmeat
Level: Andy Crosby
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Careless Driving simpliciter is a non-custodial offence anyway
bazzer9461
Level: Joey Beauchamp
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She was found guilty I think it was death by reckless driving, she should have got a prison sentence especially how she kept on saying she drove through green lights so the motorbike rider wells going through red but witnesses said he went through on green, I missed it by 10 mins I had passed through Milton to drop the wife of in Sutton Courtney and when I returned I saw the emergency services and a tent up they were quickly on the scene but tragically it was to late in the motor bike riders life.
Oslernorth
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She did abscond from the country after being told not too. Presumably that’s a crime in itself? (Not my area of expertise though)
bazzer9461
Level: Joey Beauchamp
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Not if she had diplomatic immunity
Essexyellows
Level: Cameron Brannagan
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There in is the "murky" side of secret services and those people who protect us.
She may have had her own immunity or been covered by her husbands, either way she was whisked away to the US PDQ so knew people in the right places.
Foley
Level: Colin Harrington
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I read that had she been tried in the UK, she would probably have not received a custodial sentence.
I am not sure how true this is but maybe its not as clear as you suggest?
I guess from my perspective it has since emerged that there has been a number of driving incidents from people from that base. To me the most important thing (I'm obviously not Harry Dunns family so understand their battle for justice) is that the system is fixed more than individual punishment. Whether that is increased training for base personnel and/or increased warning signs in the area or something else. It seems to me the most important thing now is to minimise the chances of this happening again.
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