Happy St Georges Day!

[Ox4Eva]

Nice to be English ?

 

[tonyw]

Unlike St. George.

 

[bashamwonderland]

Should be a proper national holiday with day-off as standard.

 

[Sarge]

Should be a proper national holiday with day-off as standard.

yes, it definitely should

With pubs handing out crusaders capes and real ale and real cider the compulsory tipple... it may even catch on Internationally
and eclipse St paddy the snake charmers annual celebrations. Eventually


Personally I'd like the original patron saint of England, St Edmund, (who's day is November 20th, and who's flag is a white dragon on a red background) to be reinstated over Georgios the Turk- who is also revered by a number of other counties too - then 'our' patron saint would be unique to England, not shared

 

[dannyc]

just back from two weeks in turkey and noticed loads of turkish flags everywhere got me thinking imagine that here with the english flag would never be allowed it should thought shame the pc brigade rule this country with there laws .

 

[dannyc]

Hiya Danny. There is no law to stop anyone flying the cross of St George, so your assertion that it 'would never be allowed' is a tad incorrect.

Who are this 'PC brigade', by the way, and why do you imagine that they rule this country, and that any laws are theirs? So many questions. And I think we've already established that any laws and the flying of the cross of St George are not related anyway.

A rather confusing post, even by your standards.

well it seems turks are more proud of their country than english people of their own there more nationalist overall .

 

[gofish2]

Like your choice of profile pic Danny. Did you mean to omit two of the letters in order to be consistent with your writing style?

 

[dannyc]

Like your choice of profile pic Danny. Did you mean to omit two of the letters in order to be consistent with your writing style?

would be nice if you bothered to reply to what i said for once .

 

[Whingit]

Once the flag has been reclaimed from right-wing nationalists, such as your good self, it will be everywhere. But why would a business decorate itself with with the cross of St George, when it's associated with the likes of you?

 

[Sarge]

Brief retrospective look of the Oxford input into St George replacing St Edmund as England's patron saint, and err flag up, some of the many England ( and Oxford-shire) official banners from over the centuries. As it was 'one of our own' , Richard The Lionheart - born in Beaumont Palace Oxford- who's crusading 'firm', the Knights Templar ( corgi registered heating engineers of their time) who it was that changed the patron saint of England from St Edmund ( 9th century King of East Anglia), to a St George, a Christian martyr, who never set foot in our green and pleasant land. Georgios the Turk's religious martyrdom led to him as St George being adopted as patron saint by quite a few counties, as well as which Georgia in the Balkans took its countries name from St George. National flag of England, until St Edmund was given the elbow and St Georges cross was adopted was this .....


Then there is historically the Saxon (King of Wessex flag of a golden lion on a red background)- Another 'one of our own' Alfred the Great , born in Wantage, the only King to be named 'The Great', who was the first King of a united England ( a territory that excluded most of Yorkshire which was under Danish rule , at the time known as Dane law, Alfred the Greats flag ......

which, over time evolved into the plantagenet three lions (adapted for England football team shirt), again it was Oxford boy, Richard the Lionheart who introduced the three gold lions on a red background as his emblem/ flag .....co-opting or incorporating Fleur de Lys as part of Englands coat of arms and one of many varients of the Royal Standard yet again has links to our own Richard the Lionhearts family and a time when various provinces of France were under English rule , also Fleur de Lys has a link to 1066 (and all that).... English Royal Standard......then theres the Saint Georges Cross/ St Georges flag adopted by Richard the Lionhearts elite firm of Knights Templar ( ever wondered what the origins of Cowley , or as it was TEMPLE Cowley are, as an aside? ).....
I've purposely omitted the varients to the Union flag and the United Kingdom royal standard as although England is 'part' of the flags make up, they are none of them exclusively England flags.... though there are at least 4 if not more evolutionary varients to the Union flag into its most recent (1770's) incarnation which is used 'today'



Breaking it down to a more local overview St Friedswides (patron saint of Oxford) flag was the first flag for Oxfordshire ......



as of last year 2017, this is now the county flag of Oxfordshire......

When all is said and done THIS is the flag I prefer .....




Question for @dannyc , which England ,( and for that matter Oxford) flag would be the one you'd prefer to be flying ' everywhere', would it be Georgios the Turk's cross or another of the many options?

 

[gofish2]

would be nice if you bothered to reply to what i said for once .

I would but it's mindless bollox, whereas your picture is far more interesting and worthy of discussion.......

 

[dannyc]

Once the flag has been reclaimed from right-wing nationalists, such as your good self, it will be everywhere. But why would a business decorate itself with with the cross of St George, when it's associated with the likes of you?

im a nationalist not on the left or the right thank you very much im guessing you lean to either side .

 

[m]

Brief retrospective look of the Oxford input into St George replacing St Edmund as England's patron saint, and err flag up, some of the many England ( and Oxford-shire) official banners from over the centuries. As it was 'one of our own' , Richard The Lionheart - born in Beaumont Palace Oxford- who's crusading 'firm', the Knights Templar ( corgi registered heating engineers of their time) who it was that changed the patron saint of England from St Edmund ( 9th century King of East Anglia), to a St George, a Christian martyr, who never set foot in our green and pleasant land. Georgios the Turk's religious martyrdom led to him as St George being adopted as patron saint by quite a few counties, as well as which Georgia in the Balkans took its countries name from St George. National flag of England, until St Edmund was given the elbow and St Georges cross was adopted was this .....View attachment 458


Then there is historically the Saxon (King of Wessex flag of a golden lion on a red background)- Another 'one of our own' Alfred the Great , born in Wallingford, the only King to be named 'The Great', who was the first King of a united England ( a territory that excluded most of Yorkshire which was under Danish rule , at the time known as Dane law, Alfred the Greats flag ......View attachment 459

which, over time evolved into the plantagenet three lions (adapted for England football team shirt), again it was Oxford boy, Richard the Lionheart who introduced the three gold lions on a red background as his emblem/ flag .....View attachment 460co-opting or incorporating Fleur de Lys as part of Englands coat of arms and one of many varients of the Royal Standard yet again has links to our own Richard the Lionhearts family and a time when various provinces of France were under English rule , also Fleur de Lys has a link to 1066 (and all that).... English Royal Standard......View attachment 462then theres the Saint Georges Cross/ St Georges flag adopted by Richard the Lionhearts elite firm of Knights Templar ( ever wondered what the origins of Cowley , or as it was TEMPLE Cowley are, as an aside? ).....View attachment 463
I've purposely omitted the varients to the Union flag and the United Kingdom royal standard as although England is 'part' of the flags make up, they are none of them exclusively England flags.... though there are at least 4 if not more evolutionary varients to the Union flag into its most recent (1770's) incarnation which is used 'today'



Breaking it down to a more local overview St Friedswides (patron saint of Oxford) flag was the first flag for Oxfordshire ......View attachment 464



as of last year 2017, this is now the county flag of Oxfordshire......View attachment 466

When all is said and done THIS is the flag I prefer .....View attachment 467




Question for @dannyc , which England ,( and for that matter Oxford) flag would be the one you'd prefer to be flying ' everywhere', would it be Georgios the Turk's cross or another of the many options?

Alfred born in Wallingford?

News to us Wantage types!

 

[Whingit]

im a nationalist not on the left or the right thank you very much im guessing you lean to either side .

Well I lean to the left, but it doesn't mean we can't agree on some things. I'd be in favour of abolishing the Houses of Lords and Commons and replacing them with an English Parliament and British Senate. As a nationalist is that something you'd want to see? What things would you like to see done?

 

[Sarge]

Alfred born in Wallingford?

News to us Wantage types!

apologies @m .... did think I was slowly 'getting' how to stop this damn smartphone from how to , err out-smart me with its occasional (&random!) predictive text.... seems I got outsmarted again! .... rectified to how it should be now, to read Wantage!

as an aside, King Alfred's statue in Wantage, does it currently have a sword (or axe)? ...or has it been 'removed' yet again, mysteriously?

 

[dannyc]

Well I lean to the left, but it doesn't mean we can't agree on some things. I'd be in favour of abolishing the Houses of Lords and Commons and replacing them with an English Parliament and British Senate. As a nationalist is that something you'd want to see? What things would you like to see done?

a english parlement would be good yes

 

[dannyc]

So what are your 'nationalist' beliefs then, Danny? I assume you're proud to be British, and particularly proud to be English. Who do you consider to be British? What are the credentials of a truly 'British' person?

proud to be english yes not british thought its just a union people seem to forget .

 

[m]

apologies @m .... did think I was slowly 'getting' how to stop this damn smartphone from how to , err out-smart me with its occasional (&random!) predictive text.... seems I got outsmarted again! .... rectified to how it should be now, to read Wantage!

as an aside, King Alfred's statue in Wantage, does it currently have a sword (or axe)? ...or has it been 'removed' yet again, mysteriously?

Shamefully Sarge I walked past it this morning and didn't notice. I'll be passing it again in about 45 minutes so I'll have a look and report back tonight or tomorrow.

 

[Sarge]

No probs @m .....when I wander around Oxford city centre, I rarely notice any differences to historical monuments or buildings, reckon its kind of a locals apathy, as in knowing they're there but not registering any tweaks/changes to them

 

[Sarge]

proud to be english yes not british thought its just a union people seem to forget .

Any thoughts as yet on which England flag(s) or standards would be your preference to see flying 'everywhere' in England then @dannyc ? I've, (err) , flagged up a few variants, with an Oxford perspective overview above in this thread ...also added in some Oxford & Oxfordshire flags too