National Politics 🟢 The Green Party

[chuckbert]

The reason I said your man Polanski is somebody directly said "your man Farage" to me.

Don't act like posters don't always say "the right" fascists etc all the time because they do. The fact you've used two examples right wing posters would say makes your post look disingenuous

This is about as strong an example there is of what I was talking about.

 

[Londox]

This is about as strong an example there is of what I was talking about.

Fine. But my point still stands. You used examples of the right to imply it's more of an issue from right wing posters when it clearly isn't.

 

[chuckbert]

Fine. But my point still stands. You used examples of the right to imply it's more of an issue from right wing posters when it clearly isn't.

Thy were just two examples that sprung to mind. I was saying that people treating it like a team sport is the problem and you seem to be absolutely determined to ram home that this is what it is.

 

[Londox]

Thy were just two examples that sprung to mind. I was saying that people treating it like a team sport is the problem and you seem to be absolutely determined to ram home that this is what it is.

The fact those were the two examples that sprung to mind reveals your own bias though and suggests you're part of it.
Political discourse often is set into camps whether it be an internet forum, X, parliament etc.

 

[chuckbert]

The fact those were the two examples that sprung to mind reveals your own bias though and suggests you're part of it.
Political discourse often is set into camps whether it be an internet forum, X, parliament etc.

Just because I have a bias (who doesn’t?) doesn’t mean I think politics is a your-team my-team thing.
Just because you infer something from my posts doesn’t mean I implied it.
Maybe I am “part of it”. Doesn’t stop it being irritating.
Not as irritating as being engaged in a rather irony-laced argument about partisanship being tedious with someone desperately wants to establish that “the other side” does it too.

 

[Londox]

Just because I have a bias (who doesn’t?) doesn’t mean I think politics is a your-team my-team thing.
Just because you infer something from my posts doesn’t mean I implied it.
Maybe I am “part of it”. Doesn’t stop it being irritating.
Not as irritating as being engaged in a rather irony-laced argument about partisanship being tedious with someone desperately wants to establish that “the other side” does it too.

You attempted to seem above it, which you aren't.
Partisanship might be tedious but politics is pretty partisan by it's nature. Particularly party politics, and this thread is about a political party.

 

[Essexyellows]

To be fair you could probably select a range of policies from all political parties and come up with something that benefits all of us.

However you would need proper PR for that............

 

[Londox]

To be fair you could probably select a range of policies from all political parties and come up with something that benefits all of us.

However you would need proper PR for that............

Chuckbert would be happy with that. The need for a different voting system is one of the things pretty much everyone on this forum agrees with!

 

[Sharp Edges]

Remember when you only came on here to argue with Baldy and junior over who was better out of Man U or your team Arsenal? Now you only come on here to argue about politics. How the f**k does a non Oxford United fan end up on an Oxford United forum arguing about non Oxford United related subjects?

If Boogaloo speaks to people in person like they speak to people on here I would imagine they have a very limited social life.

 

[Londox]

My word.

 

[holdsteady]

My word.

So he is a green who wants to build on more of Britain to house asylum seekers?

 

[Londox]

So he is a green who wants to build on more of Britain to house asylum seekers?

The man is an absolute whopper.

 

[holdsteady]

The man is an absolutely whopper.

Well hopefully he is a vegan whopper.

 

[Carpy]

So he is a green who wants to build on more of Britain to house asylum seekers?

His bum isn't going to wipe itself after all...

 

[bazzer9461]

So he is a green who wants to build on more of Britain to house asylum seekers?

Well I know of one house in Kent that’s free most of the time that could house some asylum seekers

 

[Londox]

I would identify as a woman so no one was ever allowed to correct me

 

[West Oxon U’s]

Zack Polanski - real name Dave Paulden - is a lunatic.

 

[Londox]

Zack Polanski - real name Dave Paulden - is a lunatic.

He's certainly taken the greens on an interesting journey and is behaving like a man who believes mind control can increase a woman's cup size.

Going out to Calais to say "get them all over here!" Is an interesting approach. Obviously put them in areas poor people live because I don't want them in my crowborough village though. I don't want the bum-wipers near me.

Shall we cut down more ancient woodland to build new homes?

Disagreeing with women essentially not being allowed in the party just the latest insane move.

Funniest thing is green party supporters are the type who will consider Farage a "lunatic" whilst merrily going down to the voting booth and voting for a party which would put this bloke in number 10.

 

[chuckbert]

Zack Polanski - real name Dave Paulden

To be fair, he just restored the surname back to the one his forebears changed from to avoid antisemitism when they emigrated from Eastern Europe. It’s not like Tommy Robinson level name inventing.

 

[Londox]

The green party view of immigrants as the bum wiping class on display again

 

[West Oxon U’s]

 

[Londox]

Some concerning rhetoric from David Paulden. Greenland has to be for Greenlanders.

If he continues this logic to Britain for the British he might get himself on a far-right watchlist.

Such a shame to see yet another skinhead fall into far right nationalism.

 

[holdsteady]

Some concerning rhetoric from David Paulden. Greenland has to be for Greenlanders.

If he continues this logic to Britain for the British he might get himself on a far-right watchlist.

Such a shame to see yet another skinhead fall into far right nationalism.

GB population approaching 70 million is for anyone and everyone, Greenland, 8 times its size and with a population of 56,000 is just for Greenlanders.

 

[Londox]

GB population approaching 70 million is for anyone and everyone, Greenland, 8 times its size and with a population of 56,000 is just for Greenlanders.

It really is a shame to see Paulden fall into nationalism. He must have been listening to the scary right wing media too much!

Venezuela for the Venezuelans!
Greenland for the Greenlanders!
Chagos for the Chagossians!
Britain for... Everyone! #diversityisourstrength.

You just can't pick holes in that concrete ideology.

Praying Paulden pulls back from the far right soon.

 

[Mateo Corbo's Tackle]

I would identify as a woman so no one was ever allowed to correct me

It’s a moot point. Everyone knows that the last time a man disagreed with a woman’s view was in about 1978

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

It really is a shame to see Paulden fall into nationalism. He must have been listening to the scary right wing media too much!

Venezuela for the Venezuelans!
Greenland for the Greenlanders!
Chagos for the Chagossians!
Britain for... Everyone! #diversityisourstrength.

You just can't pick holes in that concrete ideology.

Praying Paulden pulls back from the far right soon.

I think the point that you are rather obtusely and purposefully ignoring is that the argument is about self determination.

And that means many different things for many different nations and different people.

So trying to draw a false equivalence between a foreign power wanting to annex a nation (ie Trump with Greenland or Putin with large swathes of Ukraine) and a free democracy electing a government in free and fair elections to decide which policies are in the best interests of that country, is a pretty feeble comparison.

There is always a vociferous minority, such as yourself, that will always vehemently disagree with the policies of the day and will try anything and everything to change things to the way they want them to be. And there are always those only too willing to exploit that disquiet for their own personal gain.

But I'm sure you know that already

 

[tomoufc]

I think the point that you are rather obtusely and purposefully ignoring is that the argument is about self determination.

And that means many different things for many different nations and different people.

So trying to draw a false equivalence between a foreign power wanting to annex a nation (ie Trump with Greenland or Putin with large swathes of Ukraine) and a free democracy electing a government in free and fair elections to decide which policies are in the best interests of that country, is a pretty feeble comparison.

There is always a vociferous minority, such as yourself, that will always vehemently disagree with the policies of the day and will try anything and everything to change things to the way they want them to be. And there are always those only too willing to exploit that disquiet for their own personal gain.

But I'm sure you know that already

Quite apart from the fact that 'Britain for the British' also seems to be fine with almost everything being owned by foreign investors, and shilling for Israel.

 

[Londox]

I think the point that you are rather obtusely and purposefully ignoring is that the argument is about self determination.

And that means many different things for many different nations and different people.

So trying to draw a false equivalence between a foreign power wanting to annex a nation (ie Trump with Greenland or Putin with large swathes of Ukraine) and a free democracy electing a government in free and fair elections to decide which policies are in the best interests of that country, is a pretty feeble comparison.

There is always a vociferous minority, such as yourself, that will always vehemently disagree with the policies of the day and will try anything and everything to change things to the way they want them to be. And there are always those only too willing to exploit that disquiet for their own personal gain.

But I'm sure you know that already

So if Greenland became 70% not native Greenlander do the original Greenlanders still have self-determination?

 

[chuckbert]

Some concerning rhetoric from David Paulden. Greenland has to be for Greenlanders.

If he continues this logic to Britain for the British he might get himself on a far-right watchlist.

Such a shame to see yet another skinhead fall into far right nationalism.

I’m amused by your pedantic emphasis on Polansky’s previous name like he’s committed some crime by changing it, while having happily posted numerous times about Tommy Robinson.

 

[Sheik Djibouti]

So if Greenland became 70% not native Greenlander do the original Greenlanders still have self-determination?

Yes, because the people who had become Greenlanders and their children who had become native Greenlanders by birth in their adopted country would have the right to self determination.

It might also be the case that the majority of "ethnic" Greenlanders would welcome those who were coming to their country to do vital roles that they didn't have the skills to fulfill and therefore add to their economy, national wellbeing and generally improve and diversify their country, this making it culturally richer. Maybe they will recognise just how patriotic and loyal to their new country the vast majority of those people arriving on their shores are and they will make them feel welcome.

But the key is self determination in a free and fair democracy.

And as I'm sure you will go on about ad infinitum...you didn't get a say in just how many people are allowed to come here, but then nobody did individually because that's what we trusted our politicians to do.We trust them to decide, based on what we need and how much opportunity in terms of jobs and education we are prepared to offer as a nation. I don't think anybody across any thread has said... yes please! Can we have more people coming in please!!?! Have they?

No, they haven't.

Neither has anyone said, "yeah I'm totally fine with people arriving in am uncontrolled manner by rubber dinghy"

But plenty of people recognise what the country needs and how a low birth rate, high life expectancy and ageing demographic will affect us into the future. And plenty of people recognise the real difficulty of putting the genie back in the bottle on uncontrolled (unauthorised, illegal - call it what you will) immigration too. Everyone wants that to be virtually zero. Some are more realistic than others about the possibility of getting there.

Right now, I only see one government that has significantly reduced immigration in the last 15 years. And I sure as shit won't be trusting a bunch of self interested chancers who are already trying to promise you the moon on a stick from 2029 onwards.... Cloud cuckoo land if you (yet again) believe that Nigel and chums will take you to the sunlit uplands (at the second attempt). How does that saying go? Fool me once.....

By the way, let's not pretend that 70% has happened overnight shall we? It is however a figure that you seem really, really hung up on (in. Liz Truss and foreign cheese kind of way), like that's the root of all the ills in your existence .

Anyway...Zack Polanski....how dare he change his name...what a rotter! Not something you've ever done on here is it?