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National Politics πŸŸ’ The Green Party

Sorry wrong area. Hopefully someone will move to the appropriate area.
 
Coffin dodger said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Greens drop some candidates after social media probe

The party says it has blocked a "small number" of candidates after allegations of antisemitism online.
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Some of Ian Middleton's tweets could very comfortably stray into the antisemitism area and I've mentioned so before.

He is a bully who hides behind virtuous campaigns, because these people think they have the moral high-ground, they feel it justifies their outright nastiness and bitterness online and sometimes even in-person.

He's a nobody really, just an angry old man.
 
Yellow River said:
The Green Party has been infiltrated by some very unpleasant people, they clearly have a racist antisemitism element amongst their members.
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Yes, there have been a few unpleasant headlines of ultra-pro-Palestine individuals attaching themselves to the Greens. It does seem as though there are some that far entrenched that the skip over into antisemitism is made quite easily.

Middleton was proclaiming that the Green Party allow councillors to tackle local issues as they see fit since they don’t have a central directive from above. He was saying it like it was a good thing and they were the only party that did it. To me that just seems like a policy of allowing councillors to say anything they like, barely have any β€˜green’ credentials and skip past any legitimate checks before joining the party anyway.

Since the Greens have accepted someone as awful as Ian Middleton and keep giving him a run in the GE, they really do not care who represents them.
 
Basham Wonderland said:
It's probably lip service, but this sort of thing is exactly what they need to be doing. The only problem is that half their core support base (the Guardian ones, not the working class ones) are going to be having kittens about it.

As I say though, I'll believe it when I see it.
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I'm not sure why they don't just adopt the green party policy of open borders. Everyone coming here is either a genuine refugee or somebody who is going to contribute huge amount to the economy and do jobs that fat, lazy white Brits don't want to do. Allahu akbar!
 
Londox said:
I'm not sure why they don't just adopt the green party policy of open borders. Everyone coming here is either a genuine refugee or somebody who is going to contribute huge amount to the economy and do jobs that fat, lazy white Brits don't want to do. Allahu akbar!
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Just imagine if these guys got in, they make Labour seem like the adults at the table.
 
What a disgraceful interview (frankly Zack Polansky seemed like he was the only adult at that table and did well to keep calm).

No wonder politics is in such a terrible state of affairs when what passes for holding politicians to account (if they dare deviate from the so called centrist neo liberal narrative) is to largely ignore policies and what someone stands for, and instead for the first part of the interview to chat about some trumped up tabloid story from 10 years ago (where he was clearly misquoted) followed by some bullying from Ed Balls where he decided to shout him down rather than engage with the debate.

A better understanding of where Polansky is coming from (which would put pay to the "open borders" claim londonox) would be to listen to the channel 4 interview

The interviewer in the channel 4 piece is clearly fairly hostile and keen to challenge Polanski but at least he is holding him to account on policy and giving him space to answer rather than shouting him down - and whatever you think about his policies - he at least answered the questions directly rather than lapsing into politician speak.
 
In a political world so few of actual leaders, I'm increasingly impressed with Zach Polanski. As a British Jew, he has openly and consistently called out the Israeli government for the genocide in Gaza, and our government for being complicit in it too.

He is taking the fight to Farage and Reform more than any other leader, and, as mentioned a couple of posts up, comes across as the only adult in the room during debates.

We know from local events that there are some complete nutters in the Green Party, but I wouldn't be surprised to see their popularity grow into a credible option at the next election for millions of votes frustrated by Labour but on the opposite end of the spectrum to Reform.
 
Scotchegg said:
In a political world so few of actual leaders, I'm increasingly impressed with Zach Polanski. As a British Jew, he has openly and consistently called out the Israeli government for the genocide in Gaza, and our government for being complicit in it too.

He is taking the fight to Farage and Reform more than any other leader, and, as mentioned a couple of posts up, comes across as the only adult in the room during debates.

We know from local events that there are some complete nutters in the Green Party, but I wouldn't be surprised to see their popularity grow into a credible option at the next election for millions of votes frustrated by Labour but on the opposite end of the spectrum to Reform.
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But he has also said all refugees and migrants will be welcome and I’m sorry but I do t tho l he and his party have thought this through.
 
bazzer9461 said:
But he has also said all refugees and migrants will be welcome and I’m sorry but I do t tho l he and his party have thought this through.
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On the contrary, he is one of the only political leaders not to fall for Farage's lies and disinformation to recognise that immigration is vital for this country to be a success. In direct contrast to Starmer, who tries to jump on the far right bandwagon in an attempt to appeal to populist voters
 
bazzer9461 said:
But he has also said all refugees and migrants will be welcome and I’m sorry but I do t tho l he and his party have thought this through.
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There is definitely space for a Green party whose messaging is about promoting clean energy, protecting our "home grown" water and nationalising utilities, championing clean river and marine fishing waters, organic farming, whilst also reducing building on our grade 1 countryside and stopping all illegal immigration.

... essentially, actually promoting national sustainability.

Almost a total 180 to what they do now, mind.
 
Stranger said:
On the contrary, he is one of the only political leaders not to fall for Farage's lies and disinformation to recognise that immigration is vital for this country to be a success. In direct contrast to Starmer, who tries to jump on the far right bandwagon in an attempt to appeal to populist voters
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From what their leader said it was all refugees and migrants so the question to him is what about those that shouldn’t be here?
 
I appreciate and respect a lot of his views. However, like Reform, I don’t see them as being substantiated by fact. Today during his interview with Lewis Goodhall on LBC he suggested that all utilities should be put into public ownership. I completely agree with the sentiment, but paying for them or seizing them isn’t going to happen. Likewise, he’s willing to do β€œwhatever it takes” to stop Farage getting into power but will not work with Starmer.

I’ve always had a lot of time for the principles that the Green Party stand for but never their pragmatism. Polanski speaks well, I like a lot that he stands for, but he/the Greens will need to get everything well buttoned down before the next election. As it stands it’s college politics, no different to Farage and Reform on the right. Albeit they have far greater resources and media influence to peddle their message.
 
I don't think that The Greens will be a major force before the next election, but a media savvy leader will be able to tap into the under 25's and those who have lost faith in Labour. If they target seats that they have the strongest chance of winning, then there's no reason why they couldn't see a decent rise in the number of seats next time round.

And with it looking likely that no single party will have enough seats for outright control (Reform predictions are still hugely inflated), then they may have a say in how the next Government is run.

I agree that there is a lot of nonsense within their current policy plans, but there is another 4 years for things to change and moderate - something that Reform will need to do too.
 
holdsteady said:
Bit of a circle to square in being pro mass immigration and anti building large scale housing projects? Be interesting to see what he suggests there?
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Without immigration, the UK population would be shrinking.

We also have enough housing to home every "homeless" person. The problem is that in the UK, housing isn't for housing people but for generating profuts for the few. Housing is sometimes more profitable if under utilised or empty.
 
carefreeoufc said:
I appreciate and respect a lot of his views. However, like Reform, I don’t see them as being substantiated by fact. Today during his interview with Lewis Goodhall on LBC he suggested that all utilities should be put into public ownership. I completely agree with the sentiment, but paying for them or seizing them isn’t going to happen. Likewise, he’s willing to do β€œwhatever it takes” to stop Farage getting into power but will not work with Starmer.

I’ve always had a lot of time for the principles that the Green Party stand for but never their pragmatism. Polanski speaks well, I like a lot that he stands for, but he/the Greens will need to get everything well buttoned down before the next election. As it stands it’s college politics, no different to Farage and Reform on the right. Albeit they have far greater resources and media influence to peddle their message.
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How much is Thames Water worth?

It's very easy to nationalise utilities. This has been done before!
 
bazzer9461 said:
From what their leader said it was all refugees and migrants so the question to him is what about those that shouldn’t be here?
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Genuine refugees, how ever theybaerive, remain. Those without a genuine claim, leave.
 
Ian said:
How much is Thames Water worth?

It's very easy to nationalise utilities. This has been done before!
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It depends on who you believe. Anything from Β£10-100bn for Thames. But Polanski on the radio today didn’t want Thames, he wanted to nationalise it all, which would be quite a bit more.

(I should make clear, I’d like it nationalised, I just want to see how they suggest it’s funded).

weownit.org.uk

Government's worst case scenario for nationalising water still leaves households better off

If the government took water into public ownership, it could save customers Β£3 billion a year. Research shows that debt and dividends is crippling the industry’s ability to fix the sewage crisis.
weownit.org.uk weownit.org.uk
 
Ian said:
Without immigration, the UK population would be shrinking.

We also have enough housing to home every "homeless" person. The problem is that in the UK, housing isn't for housing people but for generating profuts for the few. Housing is sometimes more profitable if under utilised or empty.
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Is it disastrous if our population doesn’t grow? It would seem a strange Green Party policy, population growth?
 
Ian said:
It's very easy to nationalise utilities. This has been done before!
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I guess if it's so easy you can go ahead and tell us all how the government will pay for all of the assets that these water companies now own?

Great in principle, largely impossible without absolutely destroying the countries reputation.
 
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