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bazzer9461 said:
The appeal is doomed but not because he is guilty as sin the mobile phone footage showed the crime but because the President and the Vice President have come out in support of the correct sentence
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Indeed, however it may influence the sentence as it could be either concurrent or consecutive and the length seems to be pick a number between 12.5 - 75 years.
 
dannyc said:
I think it was right he got sentenced for murder but I don't agree he killed him because of racism thought it was never proved either way.
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So what was his reason for killing him?
 
QR said:
So what was his reason for killing him?
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police brutality it happens alot to people it aint always about skin colour also could be a personal grudge i saw a pic awile back of both of them with a women and this was him not in police uniform so who knows .
 
QR said:
So what was his reason for killing him?
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There are bad cops in America.
Policing is on the front foot due to lax gun laws.
The criminals are often better armed than the cops.
He was a big old unit.
There were lots of folk filming, distracting the police and looking to intervene.
He was a known crim and consumer of illicit drugs.

There is no doubt the cop killed him but the reasoning is way more complex than "because he was black".
 
dannyc said:
police brutality it happens alot to people it aint always about skin colour also could be a personal grudge i saw a pic awile back of both of them with a women and this was him not in police uniform so who knows .
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Don't remember that coming up in his defence.
 
Essexyellows said:
There are bad cops in America.
Policing is on the front foot due to lax gun laws.
The criminals are often better armed than the cops.
He was a big old unit.
There were lots of folk filming, distracting the police and looking to intervene.
He was a known crim and consumer of illicit drugs.

There is no doubt the cop killed him but the reasoning is way more complex than "because he was black".
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You missed off he doesn't like Mondays.
 
QR said:
From the article ..

Asked if she thought that Chauvin had a problem with black people, Ms Santamaria said: "Yeah, I think he was afraid and intimidated."
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well wierd article says he knew him well yet scared of black people doesnt add up really if i was scared of somoene i would not talk to them .
 
Let’s face it the copper had no chance, and there was only ever going to be one result. If that result didn’t happen then it would of kicked off again.

In my opinion it was never a fair trial, as the outcome was obvious for all to see from the day the crime had happened and all the riots took place.

The guy (Floyd) was a criminal, but that doesn’t mean he deserved to die. But now he’s being made to look to as a martyr! Which is wrong too!
 
Leysboy said:
Let’s face it the copper had no chance, and there was only ever going to be one result. If that result didn’t happen then it would of kicked off again.

In my opinion it was never a fair trial, as the outcome was obvious for all to see from the day the crime had happened and all the riots took place.

The guy (Floyd) was a criminal, but that doesn’t mean he deserved to die. But now he’s being made to look to as a martyr! Which is wrong too!
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Totally disagree - he received a trial in a first world country via due process and was convicted based on the evidence presented by a multi-racial jury. The testimony of his colleagues was both telling and damning.
 
Wallop said:
Totally disagree - he received a trial in a first world country via due process and was convicted based on the evidence presented by a multi-racial jury. The testimony of his colleagues was both telling and damning.
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Don’t be so naive!

It was one result that had to happen, otherwise blood thirsty mobs would of caused chaos.

The copper never had a leg to stand on.
 
Leysboy said:
Don’t be so naive!

It was one result that had to happen, otherwise blood thirsty mobs would of caused chaos.

The copper never had a leg to stand on.
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I suspect the fact he was filmed doing a murder, from start to finish and from several angles, probably had the most influence on the result.
 
Sheik djibouti said:
Shame he had a neck to kneel on.
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Do you have video footage of “everything” leading up to the incident?
We’ve only been shown what they want us to see, and that’s the problem.

maybe he committed a traffic violation leading up to his arrest, and then the copper kneeled on his neck. Which was a way of restraining him, which was obviously the wrong the wrong thing to do.

We need to see everything leading up to the fatal incident, which we haven’t yet, only what’s been said. So that makes it alright I suppose...
 
Leysboy said:
Don’t be so naive!

It was one result that had to happen, otherwise blood thirsty mobs would of caused chaos.

The copper never had a leg to stand on.
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Right back at you - suspect we won't agree who is the most naive here.
 
Leysboy said:
Was it ok for Floyd to kidnap and brutally beat a woman during a home invasion that went sour?

This guy was no saint!
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George Floyd should have been arrested and put on trial for any crimes via the justice system. Instead, an overzealous police officer decided the better option was to kneel on his neck for 10 minutes despite his shouts that he couldn't breath, and stayed there long enough to kill him. You can argue the crimes of the victim as much as you want, but he was murdered. That's the crucial piece of information in this trial. One man's past crimes does not give the power of judge, jury and executioner to another. Floyd was in cuffs and no danger to others, and Chauvin still killed him. Murder is murder, and the jury came to the same conclusion based on the evidence. If there were any sign of them being influenced by anything other than the evidence they wouldn't have been on the jury.
 
Leysboy said:
Do you have video footage of “everything” leading up to the incident?
We’ve only been shown what they want us to see, and that’s the problem.

maybe he committed a traffic violation leading up to his arrest, and then the copper kneeled on his neck. Which was a way of restraining him, which was obviously the wrong the wrong thing to do.

We need to see everything leading up to the fatal incident, which we haven’t yet, only what’s been said. So that makes it alright I suppose...
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We might not have been shown everything but I bet the Jury were.
 
Conflation is a brilliant thing. Policeman on trial for murder. Jury finds him guilty of murder. But earlier in his now extinguished life the murdered man was no saint so perhaps the policeman wasn't in fact guilty after all? Oh, but the jury found him guilty, so perhaps they were biased and the policeman never had a chance? If only there'd been a 'fair trial', ie one where a man with a criminal history can't really have been murdered by a policeman?

Let's conflate a number of different issues because, deep down, we think Floyd deserved everything he got and the policeman has been hard done by. Naive to think differently. Rather worrying that every poster on here could, possibly, be asked to be a juror.
 
Pete Burrett said:
Conflation is a brilliant thing. Policeman on trial for murder. Jury finds him guilty of murder. But earlier in his now extinguished life the murdered man was no saint so perhaps the policeman wasn't in fact guilty after all? Oh, but the jury found him guilty, so perhaps they were biased and the policeman never had a chance? If only there'd been a 'fair trial', ie one where a man with a criminal history can't really have been murdered by a policeman?

Let's conflate a number of different issues because, deep down, we think Floyd deserved everything he got and the policeman has been hard done by. Naive to think differently. Rather worrying that every poster on here could, possibly, be asked to be a juror.
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Love that post. 😂
 
Pete Burrett said:
Pleased you loved it, but can't help feeling you didn't understand it.
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Did you know having a different opinion to other individuals is frowned upon, and makes you an extremist a right winger and racist!

No it’s just having a different opinion!

I don’t condone what the police officer did, and stated that above, and said the criminal Floyd didn’t deserve to be killed.

I’m saying it wasn’t a fair trial, no matter how other want to sugar coat it. I was always going to be a certain result (Guilty). With all the world to see.

Do you think it would of been happily ever after, if the police officer was found to be doing his job, and was just ever so slightly aggressive in his arrest of the deceased. Of course not it would of been absolute chaos, and would of been outrage.

Ps I did actually enjoy your post i also loved how you added certain parts of my comments above in to it. I rise above those little petty things though.

Have an enjoyable afternoon fellow yellow.
 
Wallop said:
Totally disagree - he received a trial in a first world country via due process and was convicted based on the evidence presented by a multi-racial jury. The testimony of his colleagues was both telling and damning.
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I think he was guilty as sin and hope he gets the sentence he deserves but at the same time he didn't have a fair trial by the standards of most Western countries. The two things are not mutually exclusive. The American justice system is bizarre whether it is a first world country or not. The local area to pay out millions in compensation to the family before the ending of the criminal trial and Joe Biden, the President, stating his guilt before the jury have delivered their verdict is just wrong in terms of justice. Imagine Boris Johnson coming out and stating that someone was guilty in a high profile trial while the trial hadn't finished.
 
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Followtheox1 said:
I think he was guilty as sin and hope he gets the sentence he deserves but at the same time he didn't have a fair trial by the standards of most Western countries. The two things are not mutually exclusive. The American justice system is bizzare whether it is a first world country or not. The local area to pay out millions in compensation to the family before the ending of the criminal trial and Joe Biden, the President, stating his guilt before the jury have delivered their verdict is just wrong in terms of justice. Imagine Boris Johnson coming out and stating that someone was guilty in a high profile trial while the trial hadn't finished.
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Quite right. It wasn’t a fair trial! Everyone is entitled to that, whether they are innocent or guilty. This was all wrong, and Biden should not of said what he said.
 
Leysboy said:
Quite right. It wasn’t a fair trial! Everyone is entitled to that, whether they are innocent or guilty. This was all wrong, and Biden should not of said what he said.
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I could be wrong but I believe that Biden only made his views known once the jury had been sequestered and thus they would not be aware of anything he said.
 
Wallop said:
I could be wrong but I believe that Biden only made his views known once the jury had been sequestered and thus they would not be aware of anything he said.
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The jury deliberated for two days it could have been much longer. Despite best efforts to separate jurors from the outside world, this is easier to do in the day while at court, they still have to leave the court at night and stay at hotels/home etc. It was wrong for the president to do this in my view. There are lots of issues I have with the US justice system, particularly in high profile cases and I don't believe in this country that system would be deemed to offer a fair trial. Like I said, I have no sympathy for the officer and hope he gets a just sentence but my views on whether it was a fair trial by Western standards and whether he is guilty are not mutually exclusive.
 
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