National News General Election 2024

[The mighty Aldo]

Pretty much sums it up for me

Which is why Labour will hopefully be given time to see if their policies work.

Certainly a much stronger feeling of integrity whether they were your party of choice, or not.

I think we may be back to a John Major style of politics ( without egg woman Edwina Curry getting in the way)

It might be dull but apart from the right wing press and Reform going after everything Labour tries to do especially immigration, we may be in for hopefully some stability, no chopping and changing of Government departments and no scandals.
The public may then get some confidence back in politicians rather than what we have seen from Johnson,Truss etc

The only blight is that absolute arsewipe Farage, it will all be about him and God help us if Trump gets into power.

 

[Sheik djibouti]

Lest we forget

 

[RyanioBirdio]

Truss was proposing tax cuts,reducing government regulation, repealing employment laws, encouraging entrepreneurship and grow the economy - all funded by short term borrowing to be repaid by "growth".

She told people they could have chips and chocolate and cake and ice cream whenever they wanted. Even Sunak kept repeatedly screaming at people that it wasn’t possible, and would leave everybody covered in their own sick.

 

[chuckbert]

Was there a referendum on proportional representation?

Whenever a conversation online comes to proportional representation, you can set your watch by the appearance of someone claiming that ‘we had a referendum on that!’.Advocat

www.electoral-reform.org.uk

Is this what you meant ?

Bizarrely though, AV (same as STV in Oz) would solve a lot of British election anxieties! You can safely do your conscience vote or protest vote without it splitting the vote on your side of politics. It means one can tally primary votes and get an idea of how many people were, for example, actually voting for labour rather than anti-Tory.

Oz has PR in the upper house - that’s where Britain needs the most urgent change to get rid of this knighthood/bishop B*****s.

 

[chuckbert]

Bizarrely though, AV (same as STV in Oz) would solve a lot of British election anxieties! You can safely do your conscience vote or protest vote without it splitting the vote on your side of politics. It means one can tally primary votes and get an idea of how many people were, for example, actually voting for labour rather than anti-Tory.

Oz has PR in the upper house - that’s where Britain needs the most urgent change to get rid of this knighthood/bishop B*****s.

Oh, yeah, also … compulsory voting. Definitely worth it.

 

[werthersoriginal]

Oh, yeah, also … compulsory voting. Definitely worth it.

Agree with that … the far right are always organised, they benefit from the apathy and ignorance of much of the electorate.

 

[Essexyellows]

As we all seem to agree on proper PR it would have delivered this..............

"A purely proportional system - where national vote share translated exactly into the number of seats - in 2024 would have given Labour about 195 seats and no majority. The Tories would have had 156 seats, Reform 91, the Liberal Democrats 78 and the Greens 45."

Wouldn`t that have been fun?

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c886pl6ldy9o

 

[chuckbert]

 

[holdsteady]

It’s using last season’s teams, Bromley being promoted means that one is.

 

[Up The Manor]

Pretty much sums it up for me

Which is why Labour will hopefully be given time to see if their policies work.

Certainly a much stronger feeling of integrity whether they were your party of choice, or not.

They have zero policies .Check out the policie on sorting the invasion at Dover daily .Oh they have no plan .
It's just a temporary stay for them .

 

[boogaloo]

The thing with Proportional representation is that

As we all seem to agree on proper PR it would have delivered this..............

"A purely proportional system - where national vote share translated exactly into the number of seats - in 2024 would have given Labour about 195 seats and no majority. The Tories would have had 156 seats, Reform 91, the Liberal Democrats 78 and the Greens 45."

Wouldn`t that have been fun?

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c886pl6ldy9o

The biggest assumption on that is that everybody would have voted the same way. People vote tactically, and a lot of people voted to get rid of the Tories. In my constituency a lot of people voted Lib Dems (who actually won in the end) because Lib Dems were the only party with a chance of ousting the Tories. Labour is pretty much a wasted vote in FPTP. With PR though, I bet most of those people would have voted Labour.

The other downside of PR I heard mentioned is that you can get rid of MPs who are not performing. Take Liz Truss - clearly her constituents were very angry about her time as PM - they probably saw their mortgages shoot up by hundreds of pounds as a result of her recklessness, and they punished her for it at the ballot box. Under PR though she would have probably kept her seat though as she is one of the more experienced politicians.

 

[Big Ron]

They have zero policies .Check out the policie on sorting the invasion at Dover daily .Oh they have no plan .
It's just a temporary stay for them .

A ‘temporary’ 5 year stay at least. Suck it up!

 

[Scotchegg]

The thing with Proportional representation is that


The biggest assumption on that is that everybody would have voted the same way. People vote tactically, and a lot of people voted to get rid of the Tories. In my constituency a lot of people voted Lib Dems (who actually won in the end) because Lib Dems were the only party with a chance of ousting the Tories. With PR though, most of those people would have voted Labour.

The other downside of PR I heard mentioned is that you can get rid of MPs who are not performing. Take Liz Truss - clearly her constituents were very angry about her time as PM - they probably saw their mortgages shoot up by hundreds of pounds as a result of her recklessness, and they punished her for it at the ballot box. Under PR though she would have probably kept her seat though as she is one of the more experienced politicians.

It also takes away the chance to have independent candidates. Whatever your views on Jeremy Corbyn, he has represented the same constituency for 40 years and still had the support of locals despite not being affiliated to Labour anymore. He shouldn't be over looked simply because his appeal may only be very local.

 

[QR]

It also takes away the chance to have independent candidates. Whatever your views on Jeremy Corbyn, he has represented the same constituency for 40 years and still had the support of locals despite not being affiliated to Labour anymore. He shouldn't be over looked simply because his appeal may only be very local.

Both are true which just shows no system is perfect. But given the pro and cons I'm in the PR camp.

 

[RyanioBirdio]

Give people two votes. First choice gets three points and second choice gets one point. If no clear winner emerges, a two-man sack race will be held on consecutive Sundays until a champion can be crowned.

 

[Mojofilter]

Very strongly against compulsory voting. The right to vote includes within it the right not to. Forcing someone to take part feels wrong, and at any rate the level of political literacy is so low in this country that I don't see what more uninformed views will do but make things muddier

 

[werthersoriginal]

Very strongly against compulsory voting. The right to vote includes within it the right not to. Forcing someone to take part feels wrong, and at any rate the level of political literacy is so low in this country that I don't see what more uninformed views will do but make things muddier

I wonder how all the people who were forced to vote would vote? We might have Count Binface as PM

 

[QR]

I wonder how all the people who were forced to vote would vote? We might have Count Binface as PM

In your dreams.

 

[Marked Ox]

It also takes away the chance to have independent candidates. Whatever your views on Jeremy Corbyn, he has represented the same constituency for 40 years and still had the support of locals despite not being affiliated to Labour anymore. He shouldn't be over looked simply because his appeal may only be very local.

Scotland has a mixed system which includes for seats (ensuring a local representative) and a PR portion so that could be used or another adapted version rather than pure PR.

 

[tonyw]

The other downside of PR I heard mentioned is that you can get rid of MPs who are not performing. Take Liz Truss - clearly her constituents were very angry about her time as PM - they probably saw their mortgages shoot up by hundreds of pounds as a result of her recklessness, and they punished her for it at the ballot box. Under PR though she would have probably kept her seat though as she is one of the more experienced politicians.

This is the worst part of pure PR - basically the parties get to choose the MPs, not the people.
Some career politicians would never have to worry about losing their job again because they would always end up near the top of their party's candidate list.

Personally, I think AV+ is a fine middle ground - means that everyone can actually vote for who they really want, without having to worry about accidentally letting the party they hate in; meanwhile you still get the best parts of FPTP, which is local representation and MPs having to answer to their voters.

But we had a chance for that in 2011, and 68% of people thought it was too complicated, so can't see we'll get another chance any time soon.