National News General Election 2024

[Essexyellows]

Pretty simple.
Its a broad church in this place, lets see if it reflects the polls or even the result.

 

[m]

Iirc it's been eerily accurate previously.

 

[Essexyellows]

Given the amount of stuff that's going on in the world and within our own borders, I personally don't think it was a wise move to go early for anyone!
Government is essentially shut down for 6 weeks, and nothing happens or major decisions made.
Then, whoever forms the next government, they won't have much time to do anything useful before they all go off on holiday.
Would of been better holding off until the autumn in my humble.

 

[The Mighty Aldo]

The Conservatives have been in power 14 years and people have had enough.

Same thing happened when Blair got elected.
Then Labour were in for 12 years again people had had enough.Cameron was popular and he got in.

Starmer is not popular though and although I think Labour will win it won’t be with a majority. That will be the Labour Party's problem. When the tough decisions come they will have to tackle them and 90% of the press and media will be against them(as they are now)

So they will certainly need a new leader in five years time who is more charismatic Andy Burnham, David Milliband type of figure for the next election

 

[Carpy]

Might as well call the result of the GE now, the lack of politcal choice in this Country is really quite depressing, Labor will overturn a massive deficit largely on the basis of not being the Conservatives.

Times like these that proportional representation would be very welcome.

 

[unification]

Might as well call the result of the GE now, the lack of politcal choice in this Country is really quite depressing, Labor will overturn a massive deficit largely on the basis of not being the Conservatives.

Times like these that proportional representation would be very welcome.

That means Labour or Tories proposing to change the political system. Since FPTP benefits them, they’ll stick with the status quo even though Labour have only had 28 of the 79 years in power since the end of WWII.

Anyway, Labour are 1/200 to win according to the bookies. Get ready for a few years of them for a change. Christ, we need it. Even die hard Tories know their party needs a reset after Johnson, Lettuce/Truss and Sunak (who doesn’t look like he wants to be there anymore).

 

[Big Ron]

That means Labour or Tories proposing to change the political system. Since FPTP benefits them, they’ll stick with the status quo even though Labour have only had 28 of the 79 years in power since the end of WWII.

Anyway, Labour are 1/200 to win according to the bookies. Get ready for a few years of them for a change. Christ, we need it. Even die hard Tories know their party needs a reset after Johnson, Lettuce/Truss and Sunak (who doesn’t look like he wants to be there anymore).

I think there are a couple of die-hard Tories lurking around here that would dispute your view and can't see any need for change, what with the fabulous job they've done.

For what it's worth Sunak always comes across as more Waitrose middle-manager, than Prime Minister.

 

[Essexyellows]

Might as well call the result of the GE now, the lack of politcal choice in this Country is really quite depressing, Labor will overturn a massive deficit largely on the basis of not being the Conservatives.

Times like these that proportional representation would be very welcome.

The eternal forum point of agreement.

Still think we will see one of the lowest turnouts for a very long time, 59.4% in 2001 which was the lowest since WW1 is the score to beat.

As for electing a party "because they aren`t them" is depressing.

 

[m]

As for electing a party "because they aren`t them" is depressing.

It is.

Got to ask yourself why it's come to this though.

 

[Carpy]

Got to ask yourself why it's come to this though.

Ultimately it has a lot to do with the political parties in this country trying to be a broad church in order to gain power.

We are ultimately the ones that suffer because rather than running a country, we have to endure infighting anytime there is a topic they don't all agree on (a la Brexit).

If after this election, the Conservatives implode, under the current system we'd be stuck with Labor for eternity, that isn't good for democracy.

 

[The Mighty Aldo]

The eternal forum point of agreement.

Still think we will see one of the lowest turnouts for a very long time, 59.4% in 2001 which was the lowest since WW1 is the score to beat.

As for electing a party "because they aren`t them" is depressing.

I agree with you football wise and disagree with you politically

I am 100% with you on PR

It really is about time my vote counted. Once when I was 19/20 and I lived in Cowley my vote counted

Since then I have lived in the Wantage or Abingdon area and I have had to vote for a party I don’t really like the Lib Dem’s because they were the only party challenging the Conservatives.I am now 69

That won’t happen this time or ever again.I will vote Labour and I don’t really care if the Conservatives win in Abingdon West the Lib Dem’s are fence sitters and do nothing and have acted appallingly over the stadium.

 

[m]

Ultimately it has a lot to do with the political parties in this country trying to be a broad church in order to gain power.

We are ultimately the ones that suffer because rather than running a country, we have to endure infighting anytime there is a topic they don't all agree on (a la Brexit).

If after this election, the Conservatives implode, under the current system we'd be stuck with Labor for eternity, that isn't good for democracy.

Oh, the current system is absolutely fucked, that's the one thing that we can almost all agree on, I'm sure!

 

[Big Ron]

Ultimately it has a lot to do with the political parties in this country trying to be a broad church in order to gain power.

We are ultimately the ones that suffer because rather than running a country, we have to endure infighting anytime there is a topic they don't all agree on (a la Brexit).

If after this election, the Conservatives implode, under the current system we'd be stuck with Labor for eternity, that isn't good for democracy.

I’m sorry, but this is just lazy and you can see that by the only ‘like’. Since it’s formation in 1900, the Labour Party has actually ruled about 30 years out of 124.

We’ll only be ‘stuck’ with Labour if the Tories can’t make themselves an unelectable party.

We’ve had 14 years of the current government, which is actually an eternity in itself, particularly given the mess left by Cameron and the last 5 years of absolute chaos.

The ‘broad church’ has always been the governing majority but there is no excuse for offering any defence for the current s**t.

 

[38yearsofpain]

Ultimately it has a lot to do with the political parties in this country trying to be a broad church in order to gain power.

We are ultimately the ones that suffer because rather than running a country, we have to endure infighting anytime there is a topic they don't all agree on (a la Brexit).

If after this election, the Conservatives implode, under the current system we'd be stuck with Labor for eternity, that isn't good for democracy.

Total nonsense, politically the Conservative Party has imploded by moving to the right mostly because of a lack of credible opposition under Corbyn and because 14 years in power breeds complacency. Labour will win in 2024 but not because it has won over the masses simply because the Conservative party are currently unelectable. They have made too many catastrophic mistakes. They will either regroup under Mourdant or collapse. If they collapse then Reform will pick up the Right Wing and the Lib Dems the left.
The lack of direction will become Labour's downfall, they are united in removing the Tories but no real policy to win real mass support. They still have a huge potential to shift to the left. That will never be a basis of an eternal Labour government.
We still have the potential for a hung Parliament, if Labour fail to develop policy and/or if Sunak adopts a damage limitation strategy. Currently that is unlikely, and a Labour landslide is likely but it will fundamentally be a huge protest vote not a huge support vote.

 

[Carpy]

I’m sorry, but this is just lazy and you can see that by the only ‘like’. Since it’s formation in 1900, the Labour Party has actually ruled about 30 years out of 124.

We’ll only be ‘stuck’ with Labour if the Tories can’t make themselves an unelectable party.

We’ve had 14 years of the current government, which is actually an eternity in itself, particularly given the mess left by Cameron and the last 5 years of absolute chaos.

The ‘broad church’ has always been the governing majority but there is no excuse for offering any defence for the current s**t.

So you took my annoyance at a lack of political choice, as well as a desire for proportional representation as me excusing the Conservative party, I'm not even debating that, they s**t the bed

You should take your red specs off and read my post again, there is absolutely nothing controversial about my opinion that the Conservative party imploding and splitting into smaller factions would be bad for democracy in a first past the post electoral system

 

[Carpy]

If they collapse then Reform will pick up the Right Wing and the Lib Dems the left.

You've literally proven my point, you split the vote and you have 3 small parties with Labor able to cling to power more easily.

I'm not debating Labor vs Conservative policies, I'm lamenting the lack of choice in a flawed electoral system, first past the post only works when you have 2 or more competent parties that are realistically able to command enough support

 

[Isle of Wight Yellow]

The eternal forum point of agreement.

Not just on the forum - I’ve never met someone in real life who didn’t think that PR wouldn’t be better than FPP either!

If we had a referendum on introducing PR (not AV before anyone says we already had that) and the two arguments were presented honestly, without lies, I’m convinced PR would win.

 

[Scotchegg]

I expect that I'm in the minority, but I like the FPP system. You get the MP that you voted for. Some are exceptionally good at raising local concerns and properly represent their constituency. It provides opportunities for Independents who can further local issues. Of course there are those who just recycle the same shite that their party dictates, and this seems to be getting worse. But we should all do more to hold our MPs to account and make them fair more representative.

Having said that, I certainly wouldn't be against a review that improves what we have. But without improving the quality of those that actually stand for election we're in danger of change our shirt when we've s**t our pants.

 

[Essexyellows]

I expect that I'm in the minority.

Yes in many ways.

 

[Big Ronaldo]

While it is highly unlikely that it will happen, I would absolutely love to see that smug Layla Moran and her hoppy bunny minions voted out.

If only Labour would put up someone worthy of supporting in Ox West and Abingdon.
f**k it, I’ll vote Labour anyway!

 

[mooro]

The main positive about our FPP system is that it isn't the American system.
For a country that paints itself as the bastion of democracy, it hoovers up billions of dollars to provide a dire choice which tens of millions in non -swing states have no hope of ever influencing.

 

[Essexyellows]

Generic thought............. does anyone actually think these battle bus/planned photo ops make diddly difference these days when news & info can be so instant?

 

[Marked Ox]

Generic thought............. does anyone actually think these battle bus/planned photo ops make diddly difference these days when news & info can be so instant?

If people see it enough on the news etc then repetition of the message may click for some, especially older voters who aren't online.

 

[Grumpy Git]

Generic thought............. does anyone actually think these battle bus/planned photo ops make diddly difference these days when news & info can be so instant?

Well given the Brexit Bus had “We send £350 million to the EU, let’s fund our NHS instead” and they didn’t, it was a Boris Johnson lie. They really are just like manifestos, worthless.

 

[MarkG]

Generic thought............. does anyone actually think these battle bus/planned photo ops make diddly difference these days when news & info can be so instant?

apparently the tory battle bus was once our team coach.

https://www.Oxfordm**l.co.uk/news/24360086.former-oxford-united-bus-host-tories-pre-election-tour/

I wonder if they will find a few left over crates of beer after the journey back from Wembley?

 

[Malc]

Just vote Labour to stop the anti-stadium crowd

 

[Carpy]

Just vote Labour to stop the anti-stadium crowd

Isn't that simple I'm afraid, if I vote Labor, the Lib Dems will likely get in

 

[Carpy]

apparently the tory battle bus was once our team coach.

https://www.Oxfordm**l.co.uk/news/24360086.former-oxford-united-bus-host-tories-pre-election-tour/

I wonder if they will find a few left over crates of beer after the journey back from Wembley?

Outstanding journalism from the OM

 

[Malc]

Isn't that simple I'm afraid, if I vote Labor, the Lib Dems will likely get in

If the Tories are so strong where you live then vote Tory. But be sure that the Tory strength can overcome the national trend.

 

[Village-Yellow]

Generic thought............. does anyone actually think these battle bus/planned photo ops make diddly difference these days when news & info can be so instant?

I find it utterly cringeworthy.