Ex-Staff Gary Rowett

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1.Gary Rowett

Position: Head Coach

Nationality: England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Signed: 20th December 2024

Departed: 23rd December 2025 | Departed Posts: 1st Post

Previous Clubs: Birmingham City (Interim), Millwall, Stoke City, Derby County, Birmingham City, Burton Albion

Stats: TransferMarkt

Instagram: garyrowett1

 

[werthersoriginal]

It's not 'full stop' though, is it?

You're entitled to your view, but it's ridiculous to not be open to the possibility that a manager with 3 wins from 17 games is in a spot of bother.

'Full stop' is unnecessarily dismissive (just as it would be if someone said 'he has to go, full stop').

There is a debate to be had, we're having it. I, for one, am conflicted (as I was with Buckingham last season).

If we were rock bottom on single digits - he'd be gone. If we were 16th on 22 points they'd be no conversation.

We're neither. It's in the balance. It's a good debate. Full stop.

I find it interesting that most of the people on here aren't very sure whether he should stay or go. It does make for a good debate. I'm inclined to say keep him at the moment: we're quite bad but not hopeless, and it feels like a slight improvement could yield quite a lot more points. The disrupted training routine of the summer looks to have a lot to answer for.

 

[Steve Gilbert]

Do we still believe that Rowett wants to still be here?

There’s rumours on here that he’s trying to get sacked (might have some weight based upon his starting 11 last night), but do we/most really believe that’s what he wants or is it utter BS?

You have surely answered your own question at the start of your post.

 

[Foley]

Do we still believe that Rowett wants to still be here?

There’s rumours on here that he’s trying to get sacked (might have some weight based upon his starting 11 last night), but do we/most really believe that’s what he wants or is it utter BS?

Wants to he sacked? Seriously? Sorry that seems total bollox ( and is just massive speculation).
I reckon that he is clearly frustrated with both the pre season and the balance of the squad (which has made his job more difficult).
He could easily get a new job in my view, and I would think that if he was desperate to get out, his agent would be putting his name out there and he wouod resign.
No way would Rowett put a side out in order to get sacked. One of the more ridiculous suggestions I have read on here.

 

[90syeIlow]

It's not 'full stop' though, is it?

You're entitled to your view, but it's ridiculous to not be open to the possibility that a manager with 3 wins from 17 games is in a spot of bother.

'Full stop' is unnecessarily dismissive (just as it would be if someone said 'he has to go, full stop').

There is a debate to be had, we're having it. I, for one, am conflicted (as I was with Buckingham last season).

If we were rock bottom on single digits - he'd be gone. If we were 16th on 22 points they'd be no conversation.

We're neither. It's in the balance. It's a good debate. Full stop.

Very well said. It’s ridiculous we aren’t allowed to debate our current manager (best we can hope for) who has got us no further than Des at this stage last season.

 

[MarkG]

Where has this idea that the budget was cut actually come from? I see it posted on here all the time as if it’s fact

I think it’s from the guy who said Rowett was imminently being sacked with a foreign manager lined up. Still waiting …

He said we decided to unnecessarily pay contractors instead of using it on signing extra players. Quite why we should not pay legitimate bills is beyond me. I assume rightly or wrongly this was in relation to the Triangle and we were at a crucial stage in the Summer with delays in the planning process and needed to keep these people onside. Don’t pay your contractors and they will down tools pretty sharpish.

Also how does this tie in with the website found showing us to have a mid to lower championship budget rather than bottom three?

 

[holdsteady]

Blokes barely been here 12 months and changing him won`t improve things overnight and then its rinse and repeat.

There is a level of mental strength in the squad I haven`t seen for a very long time.

Not long ago that would have been a defeat, but we rode our luck and mugged them in the 96th minute which plenty of other teams have done to us.

TG`s shot in the first half goes in we could have won it.

Fine margins.......... as they say keep the faith nothing is won in November.

You say he hasn’t been here long but he is the 8th longest serving manager in this years championship according to the commentator last night, think manager years in this division are like dog years.

 

[ubermeistervonmeat]

You say he hasn’t been here long but he is the 8th longest serving manager in this years championship according to the commentator last night, think manager years in this division are like dog years.

That actually says more about the impatience of teams in the Championship than anything else

 

[Joey]

I think it’s from the guy who said Rowett was imminently being sacked with a foreign manager lined up. Still waiting …

No it's not just from him, it's from lots of people who have shown they know things. Just looking at how our business panned out it's clear it changed unless you think Waldron and Mitchell are stupid and thought a fourth right back was a better use of money than a striker or winger. I was told that the recruitment team were given a budget and it suddenly changed but if I hadn't then I'd still believe it to be the case based on trustworthy people on here and my own eyes. The senior leadership team have done well with managers but otherwise have earned absolutely no benefit of the doubt.

He said we decided to unnecessarily pay contractors instead of using it on signing extra players. Quite why we should not pay legitimate bills is beyond me. I assume rightly or wrongly this was in relation to the Triangle and we were at a crucial stage in the Summer with delays in the planning process and needed to keep these people onside. Don’t pay your contractors and they will down tools pretty sharpish.

The trouble is we haven't paid all our bills. Again I've been told about some cases with the electric being but off but if you want evidence @Colin B spotted earlier this year (I believe) that a CCJ had been registered against the club. This isn't a first warning, you have to be particularly late to get to that point and it was regularly dismissed as nothing, if you want more evidence of Williams attitude to the fans.

Also how does this tie in with the website found showing us to have a mid to lower championship budget rather than bottom three?

I don't bother checking but I bet there are plenty that have us at the other end, to prove this point the first link when searching for Championship wage bills 24/25 has us at 22nd. I'd suggest waiting until the accounts are published rather than taking a random website as gospel.

 

[NorthernExile]

As horrible as it is to bear witness to our actions on a football pitch, I've come to the conclusion that GR gives us a much better chance to scrap our way out of it than any other manager who might be a realistic option. That's not to say I like our chances, only that with Gary there is a chance.

I fully expect Charlton, Portsmouth and Wrexham to fall back into a relegation scrap in the next couple of months, and I'd take GR's experience over all of their managers. Norwich and Swansea look pretty broken too, and Blackburn and QPR won't be far off.

 

[Bath Yellow]

My Grandson is a Birmingham ST Holder, they were a bit shocked when Rowett was sacked the first time, they were sixth and pushing for promotion, he said at the time that the football was dreadful but they were getting results, also when we were getting Dembele he said on his day he was great , beat three or four then gave it away.
How true his comments have turned out to be, although at present the results are not coming.

 

[holdsteady]

That actually says more about the impatience of teams in the Championship than anything else

All you can really take from it is that being a football manager in the championship is a well paid temp job. You can see why managers don’t get to attached to a job to be fair, don’t look long term, that being thrown at Rowett is a bit harsh as he is well aware of the reality of the situation.

 

[uptheus]

Rowett decision and game plan, eventually gained a point last night.
Kept players fresh for a very important home game Friday night.
Clemente’s negative decision lost 2 points and may of demoralised a player, maybe the team.

You’re Gary Rowett and I claim my £5!!

 

[Mad Dog]

When you have Mad Dog frothing like he has rabies that we should be finishing 14th-17th, it's hard to argue with a viewpoint so overoptimistic.

 

[werthersoriginal]

Don't want to get the down tools rumour mill going especially when I have no evidence but is there something weird going on behind the scenes proving that all isn't well re: players and manager.

- There is a huge turnover of players in the staring 11 which seems to me to be going beyond just good game management. Tyler was missing for a while, rumours of him falling out and then he starts the last two. Prelec was about in the beginning but now cant get on ahead of Harris. Dembele now cant make the bench. There are lots of examples of this which I think @DenbighYellow pointed out on the Dembele thread. This chopping and changing must be annoying and unsettling the players
- Prelec looks very unhappy and someone said he went mardy on the pitch v West Brom
- Romene looked not bothered on the pitch when he came on on Saturday (more than a lack of fitness)
- BdK has declined hugely since the start of the season
- GR must be pissed off with the change in spending budget and the pre-season

All this may reflect where we are in the league but my spidey sense says there is disharmony in the group rather than a "Sheffield Wednesday we're all in this together" mentality.

I could be talking utter s**t though. Just speculation.

I’ve wondered that. I hope we’re not going back to factions and players frozen out. Yet the resurrection of Tyler goes against that theory. Maybe we’ll see Dembele start on Friday.

 

[MiddleBartonYellow]

Don't want to get the down tools rumour mill going especially when I have no evidence but is there something weird going on behind the scenes proving that all isn't well re: players and manager.

- There is a huge turnover of players in the staring 11 which seems to me to be going beyond just good game management. Tyler was missing for a while, rumours of him falling out and then he starts the last two. Prelec was about in the beginning but now cant get on ahead of Harris. Dembele now cant make the bench. There are lots of examples of this which I think @DenbighYellow pointed out on the Dembele thread. This chopping and changing must be annoying and unsettling the players
- Prelec looks very unhappy and someone said he went mardy on the pitch v West Brom
- Romene looked not bothered on the pitch when he came on on Saturday (more than a lack of fitness)
- BdK has declined hugely since the start of the season
- GR must be pissed off with the change in spending budget and the pre-season

All this may reflect where we are in the league but my spidey sense says there is disharmony in the group rather than a "Sheffield Wednesday we're all in this together" mentality.

I could be talking utter s**t though. Just speculation.

I would say it’s more likely that very few of them play well enough for long enough to stay in the team and that’s why he chops and changes the team.

 

[Foley]

Don't want to get the down tools rumour mill going especially when I have no evidence but is there something weird going on behind the scenes proving that all isn't well re: players and manager.

- There is a huge turnover of players in the staring 11 which seems to me to be going beyond just good game management. Tyler was missing for a while, rumours of him falling out and then he starts the last two. Prelec was about in the beginning but now cant get on ahead of Harris. Dembele now cant make the bench. There are lots of examples of this which I think @DenbighYellow pointed out on the Dembele thread. This chopping and changing must be annoying and unsettling the players
- Prelec looks very unhappy and someone said he went mardy on the pitch v West Brom
- Romene looked not bothered on the pitch when he came on on Saturday (more than a lack of fitness)
- BdK has declined hugely since the start of the season
- GR must be pissed off with the change in spending budget and the pre-season

All this may reflect where we are in the league but my spidey sense says there is disharmony in the group rather than a "Sheffield Wednesday we're all in this together" mentality.

I could be talking utter s**t though. Just speculation.

Talk about speculation.
The fact that we score late goals and never give up suggests that a lot of that is nonsense

 

[Orkney Islands Yellow]

 

[Eric Blair]

Talk about speculation.
The fact that we score late goals and never give up suggests that a lot of that is nonsense

Fair point mate. And it is total speculation on my part. It was on my mind so I thought I’d raise it but I’m in no way sure.

Needs to be an emoji for “fair point, I retract my original point which was maybe not well thought through”

 

[Basham Wonderland]

Needs to be an emoji for “fair point, I retract my original point which was maybe not well thought through”

That would go against the spirit of the forum.

Don't back down - double down.

 

[Eric Blair]

That would go against the spirit of the forum.

Don't back down - double down.

Nah. I know you’re joking but a good skill in life is knowing when you’re probably talking s**t and when someone points it out having the good grace to admit it. @Foley is right on this one

 

[Paul Cannell]

A better skill is to not talk shit in the first place.

 

[Stranger]

A better skill is to not talk s**t in the first place.

Might as well close the forum down

 

[headingtonoldboy]

I do fear for us this season at the moment. Looking at the current table , are there 2 teams worse than us. Wednesday are down, Sheffield United are improving , Norwich, maybe. We need to start winning some games, stating the bleeding obvious.

 

[tim lane]

Don't want to get the down tools rumour mill going especially when I have no evidence but is there something weird going on behind the scenes proving that all isn't well re: players and manager.

- There is a huge turnover of players in the staring 11 which seems to me to be going beyond just good game management. Tyler was missing for a while, rumours of him falling out and then he starts the last two. Prelec was about in the beginning but now cant get on ahead of Harris. Dembele now cant make the bench. There are lots of examples of this which I think @DenbighYellow pointed out on the Dembele thread. This chopping and changing must be annoying and unsettling the players
- Prelec looks very unhappy and someone said he went mardy on the pitch v West Brom
- Romene looked not bothered on the pitch when he came on on Saturday (more than a lack of fitness)
- BdK has declined hugely since the start of the season
- GR must be pissed off with the change in spending budget and the pre-season

All this may reflect where we are in the league but my spidey sense says there is disharmony in the group rather than a "Sheffield Wednesday we're all in this together" mentality.

I could be talking utter s**t though. Just speculation.

I normally respect your contributions, Eric, but I’m at a loss to understand why you’ve tabled this speculation. Disappointing.

 

[TobyDavis34]

I don’t think we have a squad problem, or a manager problem. Our issue is that we’re desperately low on confidence and form.

Changing formation and starting 11s is indicative of a manager trying to find a solution. We saw it last season under Des, who completely lost his way with some fairly lengthy injuries happening simultaneously.

When GR took over we also had a “nice” run of fixtures.

My concern is that when it doesn’t work, he seems to stick it out too long rather than being ahead of the curve. We made 4 subs but at least two of them were ten minutes (at least) too late.

I would not be surprised to see Sibley and Romeny start against Ipswich, and we will all be wondering wtf is going on again.

I’m deeply concerned now. In the relegation zone now, and I don’t see where we are picking up the next 3 points.

 

[Steve Gilbert]

I don’t think we have a squad problem, or a manager problem. Our issue is that we’re desperately low on confidence and form.

Changing formation and starting 11s is indicative of a manager trying to find a solution. We saw it last season under Des, who completely lost his way with some fairly lengthy injuries happening simultaneously.

When GR took over we also had a “nice” run of fixtures.

My concern is that when it doesn’t work, he seems to stick it out too long rather than being ahead of the curve. We made 4 subs but at least two of them were ten minutes (at least) too late.

I would not be surprised to see Sibley and Romeny start against Ipswich, and we will all be wondering wtf is going on again.

I’m deeply concerned now. In the relegation zone now, and I don’t see where we are picking up the next 3 points.

We will get 4 points from the next 3 games, bookmark this post.

 

[Toe knee]

He's won nothing, say's it all for me...

 

[holdsteady]

He's won nothing, say's it all for me...

Are we really going to be appointing managers who have won something? At a level relative to where we are now? Who have won it recently enough that it was in colour?

 

[Toe knee]

Are we really going to be appointing managers who have won something? At a level relative to where we are now? Who have won it recently enough that it was in colour?

I didn't say that appointing managers that have won something.
I said he's won nothing, so he's not successful in that regards.. not the manager for me ..

 

[londonyellow]

I didn't say that appointing managers that have won something.
I said he's won nothing, so he's not successful in that regards.. not the manager for me ..

You've lost me. Winning nothing isn't the opposite of winning something?