Financial "Fair Play"...............

Essexyellows

Essexyellows

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Whats the point?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44980113
"QPR have agreed a settlement of almost £42m with the English Football League after an arbitration panel dismissed the Championship club's claims that Financial Fair Play rules are unlawful."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43146018
"Leicester City will pay the Football League £3.1m after settling a FFP dispute from the 2013/14 season when the club won the Championship."

https://talksport.com/football/395272/afc-bournemouth-fine-financial-fair-play/
Bournemouth have reached a settlement with the EFL of £4.75million following a breach of Financial Fair Play regulations.

And UEFA "give the money back" to clubs in the Champions League & Europa League...........
"In line with the decision of the UEFA Executive Committee of September 2014, 80% of the amounts withheld due to non-compliance with FFP rules have been distributed equally to clubs that played in the group stages of the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League, and 20% of the amounts withheld have been distributed equally to clubs eliminated during the qualifying stages of the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League. "

Who said cheats never prosper?
 
Essexyellows said:
Thanks folks, not just be that finds it almost pointless then!
It seems "cheat your way into the land of plenty", then when you get there the "fines" will be chicken feed.

The rich get richer and the poor get the crumbs.
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Think you will find only fat boy Evans arguing with you here ...... sob story and all.
 
Slightly off topic of FFP but I was watching a clip of Gary Neville talk about the sale of Wembley and how ridiculous it is if the asking price is £500million. He pointed out that £500 million in the footballing world is pittance. The FA are making out that this money is vital for grass roots football. In reality they could quite easily find it within the top flight.

Over a season £250 million is spent on agent fees alone in the top flight. Surely there needs to be a gap put on this? Then there is the 'price' money in the premier league. If you come bottom (the worst performing team out of 20) of the premier league you receive 100 million pounds!! 100 million for being the shittest team in your league is ridiculous.

Money has ruined the game at the top end and it doesn't look to be getting any better. These pathetic little fines clubs get for breaking the rules to get to the top is both embarrassing and insulting to all the clubs that try and do things by the book.
 
What Neville perhaps forgets is the FA need the Premier League, the Premier League don't need the FA. While the FA could lean on the Premier League more, they need to be careful that Premier League just don't walk away.
 
These rulings do seem to be all over the place, and yes the disincentive just does not appear to be there. You list a few recent rulings where clubs have overspent by millions and then fined whatever is found down the back of the sofa. Same in Europe when they threaten exclusion from European competition yet always seem to let them back in.

Situation at Villa is interesting this year - as the media seem to be all over the club on this issue, yet they havent done anything wrong (yet)! In fact, they seem to be attempting to address the situation whereas these rulings seem to suggest that they shouldn't bother.
 
The QPR "settlement" of £42M is a bit ambiguous. The BBC report says the fine is £17m + £3m legal costs. The balance of £22m are Shareholders' loans that are to be written off, so this is not money going out to a third party but simply money the Shareholders can't get back from their own club, which they probably wouldn't have got back anyway. In normal situations, shareholders write off their own loans, often by issuing shares. So how I understand it the total cost to the club is only £20m.
 
Nah. Totally virtuous and community thinking at all times those big clubs.

And does rather show how limited UEFA is to stop clubs spending over and above any FFP rules there are.
 
Gary Baldi said:
And... FIFA would ban Super League players from playing international football. Not a bright idea. A WC without the best players seems a bad way to sell into the masses and I'm sure sponsors wouldn't be happy to see Messi or Ronaldo sat at home

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46131361
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on a parallel

didn't International Cricket 'ban' players involved in Kerry Packers short-lived 'super- cricket tournaments' or whatever it was?

twas too long ago, and after a 120 mile drive its not a good to try to delve into what's left of my memory banks !!

All or more or less all kissed n made up a few years after Packer's 'glorious' idea ran its short-lived course, I think?
 
Yeah, which led to some odd players playing international cricket. Ultimately, today's cricketers can then Packer for their riches
 
Chelski get reduced punishment......................
www.bbc.co.uk

Chelsea transfer ban reduced after appeal to Court of Arbitration for Sport

Chelsea can sign players in January after having their Fifa transfer ban reduced following an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Just 150 rule breaches involving 69 academy players over several seasons.......................... :rolleyes:
 
That is an interesting (and slightly depressing!) article - thanks for the link LWC.

From a supporters point of view, we always want to be up at the top of the table fighting for promotion of course - because it means you are winning more games and therefore the 'matchday experience' is more enjoyable. If we should be promoted at some time though I would hope that common sense would prevail - i.e. the owners would be sensible with the finances and the supporters would be understanding if we weren't suddenly contenders for the Prem!
 
This just shows that there needs to be financial fair play rules that are fit for purpose.
Surely it cant be that difficult?
How can Championship clubs paying more in wages than they receive in total income be right?
If sensible financial fair play rules are introduced it will benefit everybody (although the huge parachute payments from.the PL may scew things even more)
 
Foley said:
This just shows that there needs to be financial fair play rules that are fit for purpose.
Surely it cant be that difficult?
How can Championship clubs paying more in wages than they receive in total income be right?
If sensible financial fair play rules are introduced it will benefit everybody (although the huge parachute payments from.the PL may scew things even more)
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You have provided the solution to the problem right there.
Problem is the club gets to the "promised land" and signs players on mega bucks 3 or 5 year contracts.
They then get relegated and, without said parachute payments, would be totally fudged.
Take a look at Sunderland who dropped into our league with a head start on everybody.. (not that it matters but you get the idea..)
Much easier to have a similar system to rugby with a HARD salary cap.
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Essexyellows said:
You have provided the solution to the problem right there.
Problem is the club gets to the "promised land" and signs players on mega bucks 3 or 5 year contracts.
They then get relegated and, without said parachute payments, would be totally fudged.
Take a look at Sunderland who dropped into our league with a head start on everybody.. (not that it matters but you get the idea..)
Much easier to have a similar system to rugby with a HARD salary cap.
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Salaries for players to have a clause linking the amount paid to which part of the English football pyramid the club is playing in over the period of the contract, written into any contract ? .... cant see any agents being particularly helpful there though.... nor the FA
 
WuTang said:
The clubs will get the blame for "not being run properly", but it will always be like this as long as the TV money isn't distributed fairly.
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It needn't be. There should be a hard salary cap so that clubs cant overspend like they are doing.
I agree that the money distribution is ridiculous but that wont be changing...
 
Foley said:
It needn't be. There should be a hard salary cap so that clubs cant overspend like they are doing.
I agree that the money distribution is ridiculous but that wont be changing...
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A salary cap would stop the clubs losing money but it would absolutely wipe out any competitiveness as clubs gain promotion, unless you have a salary cap in both the premier league and championship, which also won't happen. It requires money distribution and sensible salary caps to ensure the money is distributed across the whole football league and grass roots projects, allowing a competitive structure without overspending.
 
Unfortunately football is an 'industry' where money talks. The more money you can pump into a team/squad/infrastructure the higher you can expect to be in the pyramid. Of course it doesn't always work out in the short term: Sunderland's plummet down the leagues is testament to that, and various smaller clubs have made it to the Prem (although not without spending comparatively large sums of money). And those at the top want to stay there - that's where the money is which their business model is based on. There are not going to vote for a salary cap that might mean they have to compete on more equal terms with those less minted. And they are going to keep finding creative ways around the Financial Fair Play thing for exactly the same reasons.
 
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