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Coffin dodger said:
I find that insulting and incredibly blue collar classism, I am a practical person who teaches wood machining, and I would certainly not vote for him.
I would also not shoot him much as I detest him.
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I am as working class as they come, how you would find that insulting I don’t know.
Fair play for not murdering someone though.
 
holdsteady said:
I didn’t say they did?

But if you think that they don’t exist to exercise control, like all other courts, you are incredibly naive.

The fact that they don’t “trump” UK law is not the only issue about them?
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Fear fear fear. But where are the facts? What is it that happens in a Sharia court that is damaging to the wider population?
 
Scotchegg said:
I'm interested in knowing why you don't want any Sharia courts. What happens within them that you are against?
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There are some concerns with them and also the Beth Din which actually have some civil powers. There are concerns that some Sharia courts are used in a discriminatory way towards women. I think there are some valid concerns from the admittedly little I have read.
 
Scotchegg said:
Fear fear fear. But where are the facts? What is it that happens in a Sharia court that is damaging to the wider population?
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I think, with some exceptions, that we have a legal system in this country, that while not perfect is at least open to scrutiny and not some 70 year old men from rural Pakistan (or wherever) passing judgement based on there reading of a book from medieval Arabia with a load of dubious stories in it. I am kind of a fan of secular law courts.

It’s ok you saying that it doesn’t trump UK law but you are not a 15 year old muslim girl in Bradford who is under extreme pressure to live by the “guidance” some dirty 74 year bearded tramp with the educational level of an 11 year old in every other matter has inflicted on her.

If I wanted to google and find some horror stories from sharia courts in the UK we all know I could, so I can’t be bothered.
 
Scotchegg said:
Can you provide an example where they trump UK law?
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Legally no, but if you had modicum of understanding of how deep seated community, culture and religion matter to some folk your view that "UK law is all that matters" would not be so black and white.
Guilt in a Sharia court can lead to ostracisation from family, community and more.
There have been several high profile cases where individuals have been murdered because of honour and shame.
 
Essexyellows said:
Legally no, but if you had modicum of understanding of how deep seated community, culture and religion matter to some folk your view that "UK law is all that matters" would not be so black and white.
Guilt in a Sharia court can lead to ostracisation from family, community and more.
There have been several high profile cases where individuals have been murdered because of honour and shame.
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I think one of the main problems with Sharia courts are that the very cultural foundation of this country is based on the separation of monarchy, executive, judiciary and religion.

Sharia courts blend religion and judiciary. Considering how barbaric islamic attitudes are towards issues like homosexuality and women, the major concern is that these courts will be at best unfairly geared towards men, and at worst downright incompatible with human rights.

They don't currently have any significant legal power, but their very existence is a threat to the British separation of judiciary and religion which is pretty much cornerstone of how we became an enlightened and tolerant country.
 
Farage is for alot of people a great choice, I don't think he would have got rid of the fuel payments for pensioners.
 
Thomas/Brock/Jones said:
No doubt also a Nazi , fascist etc etc.
Why are the left so angry actually and abusive ?
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I view myself as someone more on the left. I think you are describing a sub set of people on the left. Unfortunately on the right too. I don't like Farage. A man who holds the position as the leader of the anti establishment movement but when you look at his background , education and working life he is, in fact, the establishment. However , I recognise that a lot of people support his party and they should have had more seats. We need dialogue and debate not abuse and labelling as far right of anyone on the right. Unfortunately these days people are so entrenched in their views they seem incapable of doing this. Interestingly Galloway and Farage can get on cordially. The modern lefts issue really is that it so occupied with identity politics it seems to have forgotten it's was fundamentally there to give a voice to the poor and working class. Reform have just taken that position. Galloway knows that.
 
Symp59 said:
Farage is for alot of people a great choice, I don't think he would have got rid of the fuel payments for pensioners.
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I don’t disagree that Farage is increasingly the choice for many in the UK but none of that support was based on the frankly incoherent economic policies contained in their last manifesto. It’s almost as though they think they can get elected on the basis of nationalism and division - who’d have guessed?
 
Big Ron said:
I don’t disagree that Farage is increasingly the choice for many in the UK but none of that support was based on the frankly incoherent economic policies contained in their last manifesto. It’s almost as though they think they can get elected on the basis of nationalism and division - who’d have guessed?
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Labor got elected on not being the Tories, happens a lot in politics.
 
bashamwonderland said:
I think one of the main problems with Sharia courts are that the very cultural foundation of this country is based on the separation of monarchy, executive, judiciary and religion.

Sharia courts blend religion and judiciary. Considering how barbaric islamic attitudes are towards issues like homosexuality and women, the major concern is that these courts will be at best unfairly geared towards men, and at worst downright incompatible with human rights.

They don't currently have any significant legal power, but their very existence is a threat to the British separation of judiciary and religion which is pretty much cornerstone of how we became an enlightened and tolerant country.
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That is also the problem that many refuse to see for fear of upsetting people.

The level of tolerance in the Sharia system is non existent, there are no safeguards for women and judgement is delivered by religiously biased men.

In 2012 Lord Gardner of Kimble said "The Muslim Arbitration Tribunal, established in 2007, provides an alternative route to resolve civil law disputes in accordance with Sharia principles.".

Further the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe said they were concerned about the ‘judicial’ activities of ‘Sharia councils’ in the United Kingdom. "Although they are not considered part of the British legal system, Sharia councils attempt to provide a form of alternative dispute resolution, whereby members of the Muslim community,sometimes voluntarily, often under considerable social pressure,accept the irreligious jurisdiction mainly in marital and Islamic divorce issues, but also in matters relating to inheritance and Islamic commercial contracts. The Assembly is concerned that the rulings of the Sharia councils clearly discriminate against women in divorce and inheritance cases. The Assembly is aware that informal Islamic Courts may exist in other Council of Europe member States too."

Ever heard of the thin end of a wedge?
 
Farage is a professional xenophobic, bigot. He’s in politics for Nigel Farage, not for the country, just Nigel. His kissing of Trump’s a**e shows his true morals. Supporting a convicted charity thief, convicted fraudster, sexual assaulter and felon shows what a complete PoS he is.
 
SteMerritt said:
You think he's not in it for ego alone?
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No I don't actually. He spent 25 years in the political wilderness fighting for something he believed in, which garnered little interest amongst the general public and made him a political outcast.

He retired from politics having achieved what he needed to achieve, only returning last year to again fight for something he believes in.

If he was doing this for ego, I don't think he'd have stayed with UKIP which for 20 years was devoid of any significant public support and influence.

In light of all that, I would be genuinely interested to know how you think he is in it for ego alone? If he was just a right wing grifter (which he isn't), surely he would have just jumped to EDL, BNP, Britain First when all of those parties were having their moment in the sun...
 
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bashamwonderland said:
He retired from politics having achieved what he needed to achieve, only returning last year to again fight for something he believes in.
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You mean never having been elected to parliament? He didn't throw his hat into the ring again until it became apparent Reform had traction. He's a charlatan. Although fair play for recognising there is a gap that needs to be filled.
 
SteMerritt said:
You mean never having been elected to parliament? He didn't throw his hat into the ring again until it became apparent Reform had traction. He's a charlatan. Although fair play for recognising there is a gap that needs to be filled.
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I don't see how it's charlatan behaviour to decide to run for MP when you think there's a chance you will actually win?

The main political parties keep an "A-list" and "B-list" of seats which they think they are likely to win. They pick candidates for seats based on who they want to get elected, regardless of whether the seat is local to the candidate.

Take Keir Starmer as an example. MP for St Pancras despite not being from the area or living there. Emily Thornberry, jumping between seats to maximise her career, despite not being from Islington. She previously went for Canterbury.

So by your reasoning, most MPs are essentially charlatans because they run for seats they aren't local to, purely because their party likes them and thinks they have a chance of winning the seat.

How is that different to running when you think you'll win?
 
bashamwonderland said:
I don't see how it's charlatan behaviour to decide to run for MP when you think there's a chance you will actually win?

The main political parties keep an "A-list" and "B-list" of seats which they think they are likely to win. They pick candidates for seats based on who they want to get elected, regardless of whether the seat is local to the candidate.

Take Keir Starmer as an example. MP for St Pancras despite not being from the area or living there. Emily Thornberry, jumping between seats to maximise her career, despite not being from Islington. She previously went for Canterbury.

So by your reasoning, most MPs are essentially charlatans because they run for seats they aren't local to, purely because their party likes them and thinks they have a chance of winning the seat.

How is that different to running when you think you'll win?
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Don't know about Starmer, I'm not a Labour voter, but didn't Farage rule himself out, multiple times, from running until it became apparent that he had momentum in his party?
 
SteMerritt said:
Don't know about Starmer, I'm not a Labour voter, but didn't Farage rule himself out, multiple times, from running until it became apparent that he had momentum in his party?
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Yes and of course the same thing happens with all the Tories too. They all just run for seats they don't know at all, just because they have a good chance of winning them.

I don't know if Farage ruled himself out many times, but even if he did, I don't know how changing his mind makes him a charlatan?

The guy has 6 million voters, probably a few more at the next election. You'd have a few stabs at MP with that kind of following.

There's a new narrative sneaking in - that of conflating Farage with Trump ("they're both fascists" etc.), because they are friendly. I don't think that narrative will work well. I don't think people will buy it, and I think it will result in more people voting for Reform at the next election.
 
bashamwonderland said:
Yes and of course the same thing happens with all the Tories too. They all just run for seats they don't know at all, just because they have a good chance of winning them.

I don't know if Farage ruled himself out many times, but even if he did, I don't know how changing his mind makes him a charlatan?

The guy has 6 million voters, probably a few more at the next election. You'd have a few stabs at MP with that kind of following.

There's a new narrative sneaking in - that of conflating Farage with Trump ("they're both fascists" etc.), because they are friendly. I don't think that narrative will work well. I don't think people will buy it, and I think it will result in more people voting for Reform at the next election.
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I'm not interested in the Farage = Trump narrative, although I won't deny it is obviously there. It is lazy journalism, and a left-wing playbook. But I still think Farage is massively opportunistic on his motives. He ruled himself out of standing in the GE, repeatedly, until it became obvious there was traction there.
 
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