Fan's View Fan's View 24/25 - No.10: Burnley at home

[Paul B]

Fan's View 24/25 - No.10: Burnley at home

 

[LowerSouth]

A good summary .
See you at Luton

 

[NottsYellow]

Whilst not a goal fest thriller it was a very entertaining, absorbing 0-0 draw.
When we had Karl Robinson's crazy kami kazi 3-2 wins/losses containing defensive nightmares I can remember you writing something about entertainment is not just about a lot of goals, but how one can enjoy a technical 0-0 draw, I think Saturday was that.

 

[SouthOxonOx]

Excellent summary. I was there and despite it being goalless thoroughly enjoyed it. Burnley were a very decent outfit and I would have taken the point with both hands before the match. I saw them thrash Luton away first game of season on Sky and thought they looked very decent and feared the worse. Gives me a little more confidence we can get something at Luton tomorrow

 

[Yellow River]

It was an absorbing game, especially watching us when we didn’t have the ball (which was for large periods of the match). Watching how the players were disciplined in their roles and kept the team shape.

Harris and Goodrham in particular did a lot of calculated pressing, as well as tracking back and holding a position which stopped and frustrated the opposition from passing and attacking us at pace, sacrificing a lot of their natural attacking intent for the good of the team.

Some players just aren’t disciplined enough to do that or quite frankly are willing to do that.

Clearly Des knows what he’s about and the players believe in him and are willing to carry out the tactic and instructions. That is not always the case with coaches and players. We’re in a good place at the moment and long may that continue.

So yes for some of us it was an absorbing game, with a satisfying result, but I quite understand why for some, especially the neutrals it wouldn’t be a particularly exciting or entertaining match.

 

[SteMerritt]

It was an absorbing game, especially watching us when we didn’t have the ball (which was for large periods of the match). Watching how the players were disciplined in their roles and kept the team shape.

Harris and Goodrham in particular did a lot of calculated pressing, as well as tracking back and holding a position which stopped and frustrated the opposition from passing and attacking us at pace, sacrificing a lot of their natural attacking intent for the good of the team.

Some players just aren’t disciplined enough to do that or quite frankly are willing to do that.

I think it's becoming obvious that we as a fanbase are becoming more knowledgeable about this side of the game, mainly because of the excellent pieces that Des has put out since Wembley about the importance of the defensive shape. It is allowing us to appreciate these results a lot more than we would maybe have done in the past.

 

[MarkG]

Had a Burnley fan on FB saying how poor we were and were going to be relegated.
Asked how they didn't beat us despite having them £45M of parachute payment this season.
Apparently that doesn't count because their revenues dropped from £115M last season so they are having to do with less, and anyway, we still get around £10M of tv money.
Also according to Transfermarkt they spent EURO 50M on players this transfer window and have a squad value of 186M.
Us. Spent EURO 1.8M and squad value 20M

 

[Golden Dr Otto]

I think it's becoming obvious that we as a fanbase are becoming more knowledgeable about this side of the game, mainly because of the excellent pieces that Des has put out since Wembley about the importance of the defensive shape. It is allowing us to appreciate these results a lot more than we would maybe have done in the past.i

I agree with this and I think it’s really important in order for the fans base to understand the flow of the game and when support is needed and how they can influence. It was a little quiet at times on Saturday (which is understandable as it was a chess game) but nobody got on the players backs.

Only thing that worries me is I read a little bit of naivety on here about Dane Scarlett and heard some of it on Saturday from the fans when he didn’t chase the goalie down. I think it’s pretty obvious he’s a different type of player to Harris and very talented indeed……


BUT also that it would have been ludicrous to press the goalie and chase down the last defender with 10 minutes left. It would have been to appease the crowd but he’d have been picked off and left a gaping hole to exploit behind


Ps the water experiment anecdote might be Paul’s “Eric cantona seagulls and trawlers” moment

 

[Eric Blair]

This is the key point: I also think saying someone has been dropped is almost totally outdated. Football is now a squad game.

 

[Paul B]

I agree with this and I think it’s really important in order for the fans base to understand the flow of the game and when support is needed and how they can influence. It was a little quiet at times on Saturday (which is understandable as it was a chess game) but nobody got on the players backs.

Only thing that worries me is I read a little bit of naivety on here about Dane Scarlett and heard some of it on Saturday from the fans when he didn’t chase the goalie down. I think it’s pretty obvious he’s a different type of player to Harris and very talented indeed……


BUT also that it would have been ludicrous to press the goalie and chase down the last defender with 10 minutes left. It would have been to appease the crowd but he’d have been picked off and left a gaping hole to exploit behind


Ps the water experiment anecdote might be Paul’s “Eric cantona seagulls and trawlers” moment

Loved the Cantona quote at the time and still do. Never confused me (and I can get easily confused) - Always thought it was this "Indeed, a fairly simple explanation would be that it refers to the press interest in him, and the pressure for him to give them something to report on. The trawler is him, the seagulls are the press, and the sardines are quotes from him about the case." - From Fourfourtwo about three years ago. Even if he claimed it didn't mean anything. It was just him toying with the press as he did with opponents on the field. No-one quite like him around now.

 

[Eric Blair]

Loved the Cantona quote at the time and still do. Never confused me (and I can get easily confused) - Always thought it was this "Indeed, a fairly simple explanation would be that it refers to the press interest in him, and the pressure for him to give them something to report on. The trawler is him, the seagulls are the press, and the sardines are quotes from him about the case." - From Fourfourtwo about three years ago. Even if he claimed it didn't mean anything. It was just him toying with the press as he did with opponents on the field. No-one quite like him around now.

I was at the ground when he did the kick and I worked with the mum of the guy he kicked (Matthew Symonds).

Cantona was asked recently if he had any regrets about the incident. "I wish I kicked him harder" he said. Fair enough.

 

[Paul B]

I was at the ground when he did the kick and I worked with the mum of the guy he kicked (Matthew Symonds).

Cantona was asked recently if he had any regrets about the incident. "I wish I kicked him harder" he said. Fair enough.

Really interesting. Obviously Cantona shouldn't have done what he did but some fans think they have a divine right to abuse any player in any way they wish just because they've paid an entrance fee. I seem to recall reading in the press a few years later that Symonds wasn't that much of a Palace fan because he was spotted at Craven Cottage watching Fulham.
What did his Mum think of it all or did she just keep quiet?

 

[Eric Blair]

Really interesting. Obviously Cantona shouldn't have done what he did but some fans think they have a divine right to abuse any player in any way they wish just because they've paid an entrance fee. I seem to recall reading in the press a few years later that Symonds wasn't that much of a Palace fan because he was spotted at Craven Cottage watching Fulham.
What did his Mum think of it all or did she just keep quiet?

I'm with you on that. Obviously not the right thing to do but there is no right to abuse players. I actually (and I'm embarrassed to say this) gave Martin Keown abuse when he was at Everton (I was a stupid big mouthed 15 year old). He turned around and bared his teeth at me and I absolutely crapped my pants. Never been rude to a player since. I wish my older self could have been there to give me a clip round the ear.

Anyway, Jackie was lovely. I worked with her on a year out I had just before uni (just for about four months). I never raised it with her but the others said that Matthew was a bit of a mummy's boy and got way over his head. If you ever look at the photo it's hardly the ultras - there's a dad and son, some older ladies there. What he did was completely out of keeping for that stand. Like someone from the SSU giving it large.

Obviously being a fan of football I absolutely love Cantona.

 

[Golden Dr Otto]

Loved the Cantona quote at the time and still do. Never confused me (and I can get easily confused) - Always thought it was this "Indeed, a fairly simple explanation would be that it refers to the press interest in him, and the pressure for him to give them something to report on. The trawler is him, the seagulls are the press, and the sardines are quotes from him about the case." - From Fourfourtwo about three years ago. Even if he claimed it didn't mean anything. It was just him toying with the press as he did with opponents on the field. No-one quite like him around now.

Same and completely agree with your analysis.

I think it was the fact that you included it, left its connection to the rest of your post slightly open, and it had a nice dose of obscure unexpectedness in its arrival in the post