Other European European Super League one step closer?

Suggested punishment for the 6 teams ....
Next season when these teams play each other in the premier league there are no points allocated to the game wrt the premier league, but the points are allocated to their own little "memorandum" super league. They can chose themselves what the winners gain.
So they do not gain any points from these 10 games in the premier league, hence have no chance of winning the premier league or qualifying for Europe but have their own mini-league whilst playing in the premier league.
 
NottsYellow said:
Suggested punishment for the 6 teams ....
Next season when these teams play each other in the premier league there are no points allocated to the game wrt the premier league, but the points are allocated to their own little "memorandum" super league. They can chose themselves what the winners gain.
So they do not gain any points from these 10 games in the premier league, hence have no chance of winning the premier league or qualifying for Europe but have their own mini-league whilst playing in the premier league.
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And they have to play in their pants and vests.
 
Essexyellows said:
4,000 local residents and 2k from each team. All part of the test event scheme.
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...if they did the same for the FA Trophy & FA Vase ( and continued the test event scheme) ALL the supporters of the respective non league sides in the two finals would get to see their team play in a Wembley final ... one rule for the so called Elite etc?
 
Sarge said:
...if they did the same for the FA Trophy & FA Vase ( and continued the test event scheme) ALL the supporters of the respective non league sides in the two finals would get to see their team play in a Wembley final ... one rule for the so called Elite etc?
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I agree.
I cant see why they wouldn't have these 2 as test events.
An 8000 capacity would at least mean that as you say all of the supporters (in most cases) would be able to see the game.
 
Is it to do with limiting travel? Were the 4,000 fans rather than residents that attended yesterday selected as they happen to live close to Wembley? I don't know if they were but just wondering? Not sure there would be enough specific non-league team supporting fans in the Brent area to make it worthwhile for the Vase/Trophy finals if that is the rule!
 
Wallop said:
Is it to do with limiting travel? Were the 4,000 fans rather than residents that attended yesterday selected as they happen to live close to Wembley? I don't know if they were but just wondering? Not sure there would be enough specific non-league team supporting fans in the Brent area to make it worthwhile for the Vase/Trophy finals if that is the rule!
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Half of the allowed crowd were local residents whilst half was split between the 2 teams and travelled to the game according to the commentary. The local residents were in a different part of the stadium to those that travelled down.
 
The ESL seemed pretty confident that they were covered legally (so could go into the closed league AND stay within their domestic leagues)
They have had their wings clipped, but the PL, FA and hopefully government will be able to introduce rules that will have teeth legally and stop any chance of it happening again.
I wonder if this does happen, whether these clubs values may go down which could dissuade some of the US owners lightening up English football with their presence.
 
The problem remains that the value of these six clubs is such that only the very richest people in the world are able to afford to buy them, so regardless of how much singing and dancing and demonstrating supporters do, the fact is that the six current owners will only leave when they find someone willing to pay what they are asking for to replace them, and in likelihood these replacement owners are not going to be significantly better in terms of 'acting as custodians of the club for the supporters' etc etc.

The 50+1 model sounds wonderful, but how does that translate into the real world, or more specifically, how does the game get there from where it is now? Where do supporters find the funding to buy their half, or is it that the 50% is only terms of voting rights, in which case how and why are these owners going to accept a minority position when they have paid/own the full value (and/or will have to fully bear any losses that result from future decisions/conditions that they are no longer able to control).

And, how is this supporter representation going to work - is this going to turn into the MyFC/Ebbsfleet situation where fans were polled on anything and everything, or is it only on board level decisions, in which case how does the confidentiality that is required during negotiations going to work if tens of thousands of people are potentially entitled to know what is happening at each stage? And if it is only going to be kept to those supporter representatives on the board, then how much can they be relied upon to a) keep those confidences and b) not become pawns in the process?

I don't have this inherent hatred of all things Premier league in football that many on here do, but I am really struggling to see how this new dawn that various groups are promising us (fans, FA, Government, etc, etc) is actually going to come about without the very top end almost imploding and probably therefore taking pretty much everyone else with it???
 
mooro said:
The problem remains that the value of these six clubs is such that only the very richest people in the world are able to afford to buy them, so regardless of how much singing and dancing and demonstrating supporters do, the fact is that the six current owners will only leave when they find someone willing to pay what they are asking for to replace them, and in likelihood these replacement owners are not going to be significantly better in terms of 'acting as custodians of the club for the supporters' etc etc.

The 50+1 model sounds wonderful, but how does that translate into the real world, or more specifically, how does the game get there from where it is now? Where do supporters find the funding to buy their half, or is it that the 50% is only terms of voting rights, in which case how and why are these owners going to accept a minority position when they have paid/own the full value (and/or will have to fully bear any losses that result from future decisions/conditions that they are no longer able to control).

And, how is this supporter representation going to work - is this going to turn into the MyFC/Ebbsfleet situation where fans were polled on anything and everything, or is it only on board level decisions, in which case how does the confidentiality that is required during negotiations going to work if tens of thousands of people are potentially entitled to know what is happening at each stage? And if it is only going to be kept to those supporter representatives on the board, then how much can they be relied upon to a) keep those confidences and b) not become pawns in the process?

I don't have this inherent hatred of all things Premier league in football that many on here do, but I am really struggling to see how this new dawn that various groups are promising us (fans, FA, Government, etc, etc) is actually going to come about without the very top end almost imploding and probably therefore taking pretty much everyone else with it???
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Bang on. The words horse, stable, door and bolted come to mind. For all the excitement of the last couple of weeks, and plaudits going to 'fan power', it's difficult to see what practical steps can actually be taken. Apart from anything, I think the legality of unilaterally diminishing the voting rights of an individual in a company they legitimately purchased is essentially an insurmountable hurdle to implementing the 50+1 model here.

Regardless of how romantically appealing the idea may seem, you can't just deny somebody a controlling stake, that they purchased for billions of pounds, in a company (which, I'm afraid, despite all the history and nostalgia, is all Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal, etc. are now - entertainment, content-producing companies) on the basis of some fans having vaguely-defined notions of 'getting their club back'.
 
As an aside, Real Madrid, Barca and Juve are all still members of the ESL afaik. They say the others have to pay fines which will ultimately go to them and give them free cash. UEFA should tell them that if they remain members of the ESL then they can't compete in the Champions Lg and play hardball with them.
 
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ttg17 said:
Bang on. The words horse, stable, door and bolted come to mind. For all the excitement of the last couple of weeks, and plaudits going to 'fan power', it's difficult to see what practical steps can actually be taken. Apart from anything, I think the legality of unilaterally diminishing the voting rights of an individual in a company they legitimately purchased is essentially an insurmountable hurdle to implementing the 50+1 model here.

Regardless of how romantically appealing the idea may seem, you can't just deny somebody a controlling stake, that they purchased for billions of pounds, in a company (which, I'm afraid, despite all the history and nostalgia, is all Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal, etc. are now - entertainment, content-producing companies) on the basis of some fans having vaguely-defined notions of 'getting their club back'.
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I think this is fair but I also think owners will now be very careful not to put forward ESL type plans given the reaction from all quarters - media, fans, players etc. The PL charter is the first step in reigning them back in on the assumption that it will actually have legally binding sanctions if breakaways are attempted again.
 
ttg17 said:
. Apart from anything, I think the legality of unilaterally diminishing the voting rights of an individual in a company they legitimately purchased is essentially an insurmountable hurdle to implementing the 50+1 model here.
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Not to mention the revolving door for Chairman being voted in and out every time fans get upset about a poor run of results đŸ¤ª
 
ttg17 said:
Bang on. The words horse, stable, door and bolted come to mind. For all the excitement of the last couple of weeks, and plaudits going to 'fan power', it's difficult to see what practical steps can actually be taken. Apart from anything, I think the legality of unilaterally diminishing the voting rights of an individual in a company they legitimately purchased is essentially an insurmountable hurdle to implementing the 50+1 model here.

Regardless of how romantically appealing the idea may seem, you can't just deny somebody a controlling stake, that they purchased for billions of pounds, in a company (which, I'm afraid, despite all the history and nostalgia, is all Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal, etc. are now - entertainment, content-producing companies) on the basis of some fans having vaguely-defined notions of 'getting their club back'.
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Yes agree.
With the American owners though it was probably always in their minds to create a no relegation European league.
If this becomes legally very problematic, they may consider the value of the club diminished ( especially as Liverpool , Spurs and Arsenal look like missing out on the CL next season)
I can not see how the 50+1 is possible in the medium term in English football, but do hope that the power of the 'Big 6' is reduced through regulation
 
ZeroTheHero said:
I'd let them stay in it. They can play each other week in week out until the end of time. I am sure the TV ratings will soar!
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What a league with only two teams (forget Juve for a moment)?
Sounds like a Scilly idea

The UK League With Only Two Teams - Fan Banter

Did you know that there is a football league within the United Kingdom that consists of just two teams? This league, which is affiliated with the Football Association, exists in the Isles of Scilly, group of 145 islands, only five of the are inhabited and it’s off the south west coast of...
fanbanter.co.uk fanbanter.co.uk
 
unification said:
A hold my beer moment from golf.

www.bbc.co.uk

Super league a 'money grab' - McIlroy

Rory McIlroy describes a billion dollar golf super league as a "money grab" and supports the PGA Tour's threat to ban rebels who sign up to the proposed circuit.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

I know golf could be lucrative but some of those up front offers make PL player salaries look tiny.
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Henrick Stenson is the Arsenal of the golf ESL - what a joke, his recent record is terrible, missed 6 of his last 8 cuts in tournaments and is 124th in the world!
 
Eaststandboy said:
You can see why the fringe European League clubs want to join the ESL. Chelsea just beat Real Madrid to play Man C in the Champions League final.
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I have never supported Chelsea in any match but I wanted them to win tonight given it was Real Madrid’s Chairman who proposed the ESL. Now I hope that no-one can win the final.........
 
Wallop said:
I have never supported Chelsea in any match but I wanted them to win tonight given it was Real Madrid’s Chairman who proposed the ESL. Now I hope that no-one can win the final.........
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Same here although historically more because of Franco
 
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