Other - Rest of the World England vs Greece

[unification]

Whilst there is a bigger story here for Greece beating England with George Baldock’s passing, this has been a very mediocre performance from
England. Without Kane, they have looked very toothless

Is this still an audition for Carsley to get the job full time? If so, he’s not hitting the right notes based on tonight’s performance.

(Pedantic point but there is no ‘England’ or ‘Nations League’ prefix. One for the mods to look at.)

 

[Northstandboy]

Pickford the donkey!

 

[holdsteady]

Been very poor, no focal point and we gave Greece momentum by starting without a centre forward.

 

[Golden Dr Otto]

This is miserably bad. They’re lucky not to be 0-4 down

 

[Isle of Wight Yellow]

I’m sure Phil Foden is a very good player, but I’ve almost never seen him play well for England, and he’s been terrible tonight. Definitely feels like a ‘systems’ player - when he’s drilled exactly what to do and where to go by Pep, in a side which has most of the ball, but give him less instructions and a freer role and he doesn’t seem to know what to do.

Having said that, they’ve all been poor tonight. Trent Alexander-Arnold for example has been awful.

 

[SamLongSlidingTackle]

This is miserably bad. They’re lucky not to be 0-4 down

ITV just said then they've had the ball in the net 4 times.

 

[Stranger]

If England get anything out of this game it would be an absolute travesty

 

[Sarge]

Poor, poor showing from England... be very fortunate to get an undeserved point...wayward passes, lack of guile... aaaand conceded after calamatous defending 1-2 in time added

 

[Isle of Wight Yellow]

Well, England should have had a penalty, but it would have been harsh on Greece

 

[Sarge]

On tonights performance Carsley wnt get the job

 

[McXal]

That was dreadful. Delighted for the Greeks and the celebrations with Gorgeous George’s shirt were so emotional. But yeah from an England perspective that was a shambles on a tactical, selection and performance basis.

If this is a genuine audition for Carsley to get the job (it blatantly isn’t, he’s getting the job) then other than 15 minutes against Ireland it has been turgid so far.

 

[Johnf]

Greece deserved the win. An absolute shambles from England.

 

[38yearsofpain]

England were appalling and the referee was just about National League standard.
That whole formation was insane, defensvly inept, midfield players running into each other and overall the players had no idea how to play in that formation. Lee Carsley literally ripped up his application form for the England job.

 

[werthersoriginal]

Couldn’t help enjoying that, very pleased for Greece which is a country I love. We appear to have lost to two goals from Vangelis. Can I be the first to say Parsley out!!

 

[holdsteady]

Carsley out, Futcher in.

 

[McXal]

Can I be the first to say Parsley out!!

 

[Manorlounger]

What was that for a formation? Strikers left on the bench, defensively unaware, no cohesive play and Pickford being Pickford at his worst.
Inept.

 

[Scotchegg]

Can I be the first to say Parsley out!!

Would he play Herbie Kane?

 

[unification]

Would he play Herbie Kane?

He could bring him on in injury thyme.

 

[werthersoriginal]

He could bring him on in injury thyme.

Sage advice

 

[Oxford57]

A collective brain fart of a game from all of them, all these millionaires who seemed to forget what their job was, from the first few minutes where it took 500 sideways pass to move the ball 10 feet forwards I thought it’s going to be one of those games and yes it was, the best part was how the Greek team team showed their support for George.

 

[Stranger]

To be fair to Carsley... No, I have nothing

 

[Oufcrealist]

It was an absolute shambles and if England appoint Carsley we'll be in big trouble.
People wanted Southgate out and perhaps his race was run but we wouldn't have lost that game with him in charge. Both full backs were hopeless and shouldn't be anywhere near the team on Sunday and Pickford should be dropped.
And pick a proper striker not a false one. I knew it wouldn't work as soon as I saw the line up, idiocy comes to mind!!

 

[dabigfella]

Managers make mistakes. Sometimes they are bad mistakes. Occasionally they are very bad mistakes. That was a totally catastrophic mistake. When the media and others all reckon England would lose before the match even started the the manager has to suspect from now on. If he did it once will be do it again? Time will tell.

 

[MarkG]

BBC article by Emlyn Bedley looking at potential attacking line-ups for England suggests a Des Buckingham inspired 4-3-3.
(I think he's an Oxford fan who often writes about us).

How can England use Jude Bellingham, Phil Foden and Cole Palmer?

BBC Sport looks at various options for fitting Jude Bellingham, Phil Foden and Cole Palmer into the England team.

www.bbc.com

[edit] forgot the link

 

[ZeroTheHero]

Far from convincing for all of the first half and some of the second against Finland as well.

In general, though I think getting an international side to play fluently is a pretty difficult job - you may have excellent players, but making a team out of them is another matter entirely. We have all seen how long it can take to get a squad to turn into a coherent whole, especially if trying something different - and at international level, I suspect that is even more difficult.

 

[Sarge]

Costly defensive error late on V Finland - plus when it was 0-1 it was only bad (err) Finnishing that saved the game from going 1-1 , IMO the final result would have been different yesterday had that been on target.


England defence has not been all that under Carsley

 

[OUFCGav]

Costly defensive error late on V Finland - plus when it was 0-1 it was only bad (err) Finnishing that saved the game from going 1-1 , IMO the final result would have been different yesterday had that been on target.


England defence has not been all that under Carsley

Maybe he was just showing that a degree of "handbrake" is necessary for the benefit of whoever gets the job.

 

[werthersoriginal]

Hmm, people were saying we had all these great players but Southgate was holding them back.

 

[Common Villager]

How often are successful international teams actually enjoyable to watch? I think you have to go back to the Brazil team of 2002 as the last time a winner of the Euros or WC could be described as exciting.

Teams that win tournaments these days are mostly just efficient. France in 2020 were arguably a good watch but a lot of that centred on Mbappe's breakthrough. IIRC they weren't convincing at all in the early stages, either.

The most important qualities of tournament winning teams seems to be a solid defensive and winning mentality.

Under Southgate England were definitely solid on the whole, but lacked the ruthlessness and winning mentality (still can't quite work out how we didn't go on to beat Italy in the Euro 202 final). I was quite positive about Carsley to begin with, but after the last week I'm not sure he's going to be able to instil a winning mentality.

That said, no one immediately springs to mind who would be able to do so.