Essexyellows
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So lets bang in a poll and see how split we are!! Tactical voting is going to be huge this time IMHO.
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Essexyellows
Level: Cameron Brannagan
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Surprisingly it often provides a very realistic barometer of the UK as it attracts such an eclectic mix of folk united by one thing.... if I was a pollster I would just look on here myself.
Gary Baldi
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Do we get the chance to have another vote if my side doesn't win?
Manorlounger
Level: Phil Whitehead
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Only if my side doesn't win. Otherwise it's not fair. ?
Andy Stroud
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I know your comment was tongue in cheek, but I suspect it is rather white, male dominated to be a “realistic barometer”.
Foley
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What a mess.
I really dont think that there should be a one issue election as this could put somebody in power for 5 years.
I may vote for a further referendum but there is no way that I would vote for Labour with Corbyn in charge.
I really dont think that there should be a one issue election as this could put somebody in power for 5 years.
I may vote for a further referendum but there is no way that I would vote for Labour with Corbyn in charge.
Essexyellows
Level: Cameron Brannagan
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Where I live I`m an ethnic minority! ? ?
ZeroTheHero
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The problem with this election is that it is going to be a de facto referendum on Brexit, but with even LESS clarity than there was first time around!
If you vote for the Tories, are you voting for the deal Johnson has 'negotiated' or for the no-deal he seems to want? If you want a no-deal should you be voting for the Brexit party? If you think the country needs a change from the Eton old boy network, should you be voting for Labour - even if they are themselves an absolute mess with a leader with as much get up and go as last months left-overs? If you vote for Labour - are they pro or anti Brexit? Or do you think the whole Brexit thing was a stupid mistake, vote for the LibDems/Greens and hope that enough other people do the same in this first past the post partial democracy to make that a meaningful rather than wasted vote? Or do you just hide until the whole sorry mess has gone away?
And which party actually wants to be in charge during this complete clusterf**k and it's following effects?
Personally I'll be voting for Plaid Cymru - I just hope they put up a condidate in leafy North Bedfordshire!
If you vote for the Tories, are you voting for the deal Johnson has 'negotiated' or for the no-deal he seems to want? If you want a no-deal should you be voting for the Brexit party? If you think the country needs a change from the Eton old boy network, should you be voting for Labour - even if they are themselves an absolute mess with a leader with as much get up and go as last months left-overs? If you vote for Labour - are they pro or anti Brexit? Or do you think the whole Brexit thing was a stupid mistake, vote for the LibDems/Greens and hope that enough other people do the same in this first past the post partial democracy to make that a meaningful rather than wasted vote? Or do you just hide until the whole sorry mess has gone away?
And which party actually wants to be in charge during this complete clusterf**k and it's following effects?
Personally I'll be voting for Plaid Cymru - I just hope they put up a condidate in leafy North Bedfordshire!
Essexyellows
Level: Cameron Brannagan
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I`ve voted in the poll, however that could be tempered by who stands............... a strong Tory candidate could get in if they swing some of the working class areas against Labour. Also depends if Nigel comes to town!
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Literally cannot see why people would vote for the Tories. Imagine this’ll get shouted down so I’ll probs end up abandoning this thread as people rarely seem to want to change their stance regarding politics (not that that is wrong - just the way it is).
Essexyellows
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@BristolOx the NHS has zero business accumen, that is the core problem. It would swallow all the money that is thrown at it.
We even outsource all our hip replacements to private hospitals to avoid "fines" for delays...
We do blood tests that we get paid £5 for that cost us £12 to do!
On the bright side the government approved us spending £450 million on expansion plans...... I don`t do Twitter full of sound bites and half truths.
We even outsource all our hip replacements to private hospitals to avoid "fines" for delays...
We do blood tests that we get paid £5 for that cost us £12 to do!
On the bright side the government approved us spending £450 million on expansion plans...... I don`t do Twitter full of sound bites and half truths.
ZeroTheHero
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Isn't that an argument for making sure that the NHS become more 'business savvy' and efficient rather than just letting US companies take advantage of their incompetence?
*acumen.
The same NHS that pays one-fifth to one-seventh of the price for US branded drugs paid to ppharma companies in the USA, and uses generics to reduce prices to the taxpayer?
Dispatches 28/10/2019 - US pharma wants to restrict rights of NHS to source drugs efficiently.
NHS practices in drug sourcing have saved more than £700m per year.
The Tory government can be trusted to do the right thing: (from Dispatches) -
"Reporter Antony Barnett discovers that “drug pricing” has been discussed in six initial meetings between trade officials from the two countries and learns of secret meetings between US drugs firms and British civil servants where medicine “price caps” have been talked about.
Dispatches was also told that British trade officials have been warned that the subject is so sensitive that they must not mention “drug pricing” in emails but use the term “valuing innovation”."
Essexyellows
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It is, but its too big to do that.
My former boss has been on "gardening leave" after the most recent "Management of Change", he`s on £90k a year and hasn`t been at work for 7 months and they can`t afford to pay him off because it wasn`t in the MoC "budget".
@Paul Cannell ..... the same NHS that provides & facilitates the research for said Pharma...... R&I is about the only income generating bit we have. How the income happens is a mix of direct capital and reduced prices on the drugs that work. Apologies for the extra *c.
Our Trust ( 3 hospitals) does 27 million blood tests a year, nobody has ever done a proper costing of the process until this year..... its the dripping tap that causes the floods.
So you agree that the NHS is a success in it's drug sourcing? After all (same link) "one of Trump’s closest allies, Republican congressman Mark Meadows who says that drug pricing has to be on the table in any trade deal with the UK. “It needs to be part of the negotiations …my aim is to have pharmaceutical negotiations being part of any international negotiation. Why should an American patient have to pay a thousand dollars for a drug when other countries can buy the same drugs at a fraction of the cost?” "
By the way I'm talking about pricing and the ability of the NHS to buy what drugs it likes from whom it likes in order to manage the prices it pays. Whether that partly exists because of it's research and assistance it provides is beside the point when it's cost-effective. Pretty unimpressive effort to change the subject with the blood tests, though - systems normal at your end.
By the way I'm talking about pricing and the ability of the NHS to buy what drugs it likes from whom it likes in order to manage the prices it pays. Whether that partly exists because of it's research and assistance it provides is beside the point when it's cost-effective. Pretty unimpressive effort to change the subject with the blood tests, though - systems normal at your end.
Jerome'SAle
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I'm a white male and im quite realistic, I find it rather racist and sexist to presume I'm not you cad
I am however also a tenor so your barometer comment may hold weight
Essexyellows
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Hate to say it but the NHS does a bit more than buy & prescribe drugs from US pharma companies.
Matt Hancock was perfectly right to say such negotiations are confidential, and it is exactly that kind of hard ball the NHS needs to play in business deals.
It also needs to harness its buying power , that is improving (slightly) after the Carter report but that was published in 2016............... it speaks volumes that Carters suite of ideas remains to be fully implemented because of the complex nature of individual Trust contracts and punitive buy out clauses added my business savvy negotiators!
It has a lot to learn but "more money" is not the answer unless it comes with accountability rather than the traditional "blank cheque" approach.
If I had my way the NHS would have a 20 year budget strategy that was enshrined in law and wouldn`t be allowed to be used as a political football.......... but thats another debate!
Yeah the vote was only two years ago, that’s not long enough to do another one!!! Oh wait...
Sharing this (below) which is doing the rounds on social media following Grenfell tower disaster chief Fire officers impending retirement ( and the fire officers being 'blamed' by some for the Grenfell disaster!!!) .....
JUST REMEMBER WHEN YOU VOTE.
In 2013 Boris Johnson was the Mayor of London he was responsible for closing 10 London fire stations, axeing 14 fire engines and removing 550 firefighter jobs including vital fire safety inspectors. His response to being accused by members of the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority of lying over the consequences of the cuts was “oh get stuffed”. On the 14th June 2017 a fire engulfed Grenfell Tower and 72 people died, and now the Tories are blaming the fire fighters!
JUST REMEMBER WHEN YOU VOTE.
In 2013 Boris Johnson was the Mayor of London he was responsible for closing 10 London fire stations, axeing 14 fire engines and removing 550 firefighter jobs including vital fire safety inspectors. His response to being accused by members of the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority of lying over the consequences of the cuts was “oh get stuffed”. On the 14th June 2017 a fire engulfed Grenfell Tower and 72 people died, and now the Tories are blaming the fire fighters!
Sharp Edges
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You might want to look into who thought it would be a good idea to cover blocks of flats in cladding and at the same time removed the need for the fire brigade to complete an annual fire inspection of the same buildings. Just saying.
Marked Ox
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Battle for 'Workington Man': Older, white men in Leave-backing towns
Boris Johnson promised voters a new parliament for Christmas last night as he finally secured a General Election that experts have predicted will be decided by the 'Workington Man.'
ah yes thatll be the Kensigton and Chelsea borough tory council
Manorlounger
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Having searched, I cannot find anything that corroborates this in the inquiry.
The second part of the inquiry is yet to be finished and will, no doubt, apportion blame for the fire on the cladding used. The fire service had no experience or relative training to deal with this scenario. That is a failing but, not evidence that the Tories are to blame.
However, no doubt some will wish to use this as a political whip, unfairly and very cynical in motive.
I may well be wrong, and maths isnt my strong point, but Id think a series of cuts imposed on the London fire service, by the then London Mayor, now minority government PM, must add up to being contributory factors, including the removal of fire safety officers? Yet it appears the blame is being apportioned to the fire service.... by the Tory press
Grenfell Tower report: fire brigade condemned for 'systemic failures' as chief accused of 'remarkable insensitivity'
Fewer people would have died in the Grenfell disaster if London Fire Brigade had not suffered "serious shortcomings" and "systemic" failures in its response to the fire, the official report into the tragedy has concluded.
www.telegraph.co.uk
Info already 'out there' re cheaper cladding used at the insistance of the Kensington & Chelsea Borough (Tory) council
Grenfell Tower council made £129m from property deals
Survivors of the disaster accuse Kensington and Chelsea council of neglecting its residents.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Sharp Edges
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With a little bit of help from a tory with a red tie....ah yes thatll be the Kensigton and Chelsea borough tory council
Grenfell Tower fire: was Tory austerity to blame or do problems date back to Blair?
Jeremy Corbyn has linked tragedy to Conservative spending cuts but PM says matter has arisen after decades of neglect
www.theguardian.com
Marked Ox
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I bet a plenty of Tories were cringing at this. Good on the Maybot.
Blimey! , Is Blair standing in the forthcoming election now i thought he was swerving his responsibililities of involvement in war crimes?With a little bit of help from a tory with a red tie....
Grenfell Tower fire: was Tory austerity to blame or do problems date back to Blair?
Jeremy Corbyn has linked tragedy to Conservative spending cuts but PM says matter has arisen after decades of neglect
....the former mayor of london is however, as PM, bidding to increase his minority governments seats in the forthcoming electionSharp Edges
Level: Jack Midson
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I wonder who would be more unpopular, Blair or Corbyn? I think Blair is made of teflon so should be okay. Much as i think Boris is a f*****g idiot I think there are many others in front of him in the queue of blame for Grenfell, its a long queue though.Blimey! , Is Blair standing in the forthcoming election now i thought he was swerving his responsibililities of involvement in war crimes?
As far as I'm aware, the polling so far has been pretty 'dumb' - in other words, it's just sampled a nationwide audience, and applied those numbers broadly to every seat to generate a picture.
In reality, this is going to be an election decided by some very, very unusual regional forces.
There's going to be the battle in Leave areas that have traditionally voted Labour, mostly in the North and the midlands, but who are now fed up with the failure to deliver Brexit and may be willing to shift to the Tories (or perhaps Nige and the Brexit Party) to ensure that we leave in January (Workington, as described above, is a prime example).
Then there's going to be battle in Remain areas that have traditionally voted Conservative, mostly in and around London and the South East, but who are worried about the impact that BoJo's hard Brexit is going to have on their lives, and may be willing to shift to the Lib Dems (probably not Labour, because they're terrified of Corbyn) in the hop that we won't leave in January (my own constituency, Westminster, is probably the poster child here).
We're only going to get a firm prediction on how this election is going to go when polling is being done on a narrow, regional basis.
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