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International Politics Donald Trump 🍊🇺🇸

He hasn't.
He said if they win
Therefore although wrong!! Not illegal as an American friend has said.

However how it gets paid is interesting!

But he doesnt care as he won't be there in 2 years so won't be picking up the pieces
 
I wonder if that includes him and his family members too..? The final payout, albeit nowt compared with what he's already extracted from the world whilst "in charge".
 
Followtheox1 said:
Very different, offering to pay people money directly to vote for you.
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Not really anyway he isnt paying per vote you can still claim your 5k even if you dont vote for him but live in the US and are an adult. Just like people payiying money to benefit claimants to buy their votes. If Universal Basic Income comes in would that be caught under the same bracket? What about a party promiosing to increase the personal allowance by 10k? These are all bribes of the electorate.
 
Matty Greens Left Boot said:
Not really anyway he isnt paying per vote you can still claim your 5k even if you dont vote for him but live in the US and are an adult. Just like people payiying money to benefit claimants to buy their votes. If Universal Basic Income comes in would that be caught under the same bracket? What about a party promiosing to increase the personal allowance by 10k? These are all bribes of the electorate.
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You can't pay money directly to voters as this is bribery. It won't be long before Trump will say he didn't mean that, he'll say he meant everyone will be $5,000 better off. And those who still didn't know what to do with the financial bonus they've received since his second term of office started will vote for him again.
 
QR said:
You can't pay money directly to voters as this is bribery. It won't be long before Trump will say he didn't mean that, he'll say he meant everyone will be $5,000 better off. And those who still didn't know what to do with the financial bonus they've received since his second term of office started will vote for him again.
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But paying it out via UBI, reducing tax, benefits isnt bribary too? Dont get me wrong i think its silly but so was bribing people with other promises too labour and Tories have both been guilty of that.
 
The problem is he has form for this and has made BS promises like this before.

It won’t wash with the democratic vote and won’t wash with the centralist Republicans.

It’s a maga promise, not worth the ink on the headlines
 
Matty Greens Left Boot said:
Isnt that politics, offering tax cuts or bribes like the tripple lock or upping benefits if people vote for you?
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I think you’re right to some extent. It’s the Trump MO. Other people do more sophisticated and concealed insider trading and electoral bribes, porkbarreliing etc. Trump then does it all brazenly and openly and to a more massive degree. It’s the same with his pitifully naive lawfare, and his jobs-for-the-boys appointments.
One difference is that he is more dishonest: there is absolutely no way he is giving the great unwashed $5K each unless it’s a government sponsored voucher for Trump products.
 
Excellent news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqvgy34ndj4eo

And what are the beloved EU doing about Russia? Have they stopped buying Russian Gas. Nope still a large trading partner. Are they buying rebadged Russian oil from india? You bet they are!

As much as Donald makes mistakes and successes like any President (he is at the erratic end i agree). Nobody gives him credit or hold the EU to account in the same way. And to claim he is a Putin ally is odd. He supported Syria Revolution (Putin ally) He Bombed Iran(Russias major ally which the EU opposed and supported Russia) he has done far more sanctioning than the EU countries. You could easilly argue that EU is the ally of Russia when looked at through the cold hard reality of what is happening.
 
Matty Greens Left Boot said:
Excellent news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqvgy34ndj4eo

And what are the beloved EU doing about Russia? Have they stopped buying Russian Gas. Nope still a large trading partner. Are they buying rebadged Russian oil from india? You bet they are!

As much as Donald makes mistakes and successes like any President (he is at the erratic end i agree). Nobody gives him credit or hold the EU to account in the same way. And to claim he is a Putin ally is odd. He supported Syria Revolution (Putin ally) He Bombed Iran(Russias major ally which the EU opposed and supported Russia) he has done far more sanctioning than the EU countries. You could easilly argue that EU is the ally of Russia when looked at through the cold hard reality of what is happening.
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How does he get credit for attacking Iran?

He has created a global mess with it seems no off ramp by following Netanyahu and this Israeli Govt's wishlist. And confirmed for Iran that strangling the Strait of Hormuz is a powerful weapon for them. Whilst their proxies can cause significant issues in the Red Sea as they are now doing.

He is also doing the "threatening to annihilate Iran" schtick again. I suspect the Iranian leadership just shrug their shoulders when he does it now, considering the number of times he has made the claim and the reported armaments supply issues.
 
Matty Greens Left Boot said:
Excellent news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqvgy34ndj4eo

And what are the beloved EU doing about Russia? Have they stopped buying Russian Gas. Nope still a large trading partner. Are they buying rebadged Russian oil from india? You bet they are!

As much as Donald makes mistakes and successes like any President (he is at the erratic end i agree). Nobody gives him credit or hold the EU to account in the same way. And to claim he is a Putin ally is odd. He supported Syria Revolution (Putin ally) He Bombed Iran(Russias major ally which the EU opposed and supported Russia) he has done far more sanctioning than the EU countries. You could easilly argue that EU is the ally of Russia when looked at through the cold hard reality of what is happening.
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If the AfD win a majority, it's auf wiedersehen to the entire EU political project.
 
Londox said:
Maybe the EU should start protecting Europes borders and stop betraying its people if it wants inhabitants of its countries to support it.
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Again, aside from free movement of citizens between member states, countries are free to set their own immigration policies.
 
Londox said:
That sentence is an oxymoron.
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not really. they are part of a block with free movement (with certain restrictions). but immigration from other countries is down to the individual country. you want the EU to deal with the EU's border - that is not down to them.
 
Essexyellows said:
So you set an immigration policy................ and then let anyone walk in....

I see a slight flaw.
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but countries don't have to, its an individual choice. Unless you want to give the EU more power....
 
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Marked Ox said:
How does he get credit for attacking Iran?

He has created a global mess with it seems no off ramp by following Netanyahu and this Israeli Govt's wishlist. And confirmed for Iran that strangling the Strait of Hormuz is a powerful weapon for them. Whilst their proxies can cause significant issues in the Red Sea as they are now doing.

He is also doing the "threatening to annihilate Iran" schtick again. I suspect the Iranian leadership just shrug their shoulders when he does it now, considering the number of times he has made the claim and the reported armaments supply issues.
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IMO the previous sanctions were failing, Iran was executing 25k people protesting for democracy. For me you either do something about the rogue nation (and make it safe for people to stay there) or accept it and not allow asylum from it. I'm happy with either. I have been critical of the war in Iran i think it has been poorly executed and the US has failed to topple the regime and failed to use its military might effectively because Trump overestimated the effect of air strikes and how quickly that would finish the war. Having deeply religious state where martyrdom is so acceptable having nuclear weapons is not acceptable. Mutually assured destruction as a deterrence only works if all side dont want themselves to be destroyed. Israel for all its faults (and it has many) doesn't have a history of supporting martyrdom Iran and other religious states like Afghanistan (which we seem to consider it OK to have the Taliban in charge so no asylum should come from there now) have a history of supporting martyrdom.

But this comment i made was largely about this idea he is a Putin stooge rather than an America first second and third President. If you look at what he has done to strengthen or weaken the Russian position and compare it to Europe. Its not even in the same league Europe is divided and failing over Russia riddled by self interest of the individual countries. It was a comment that Trump always get criticism some of it deserved sometimes not but it seems pretty partisan almost football supporter tribal so much so that even decisions where Trump is leading for good he doesn't get credit.
 
OUFCGav said:
Technically it is not the EU buying, it is certain individual countries. Also the same countries blocking sanctions by the collective.
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Yep but its a pretty broad base not just a few countries. The biggest importers of LNG are France, Belgium, and Spain. Slovakia and Hungary have pipeline natural gas. Virtually everyone buys oil/oil products from india (made from you guessed it Russian oil).
 
Give the Iranians a couple of nukes. Trump tried imposing himself on North Korea, but in the end it was all talk because they have Nukes, so he didn't bother starting a pointless conflict there.
 
Whingit said:
Give the Iranians a couple of nukes. Trump tried imposing himself on North Korea, but in the end it was all talk because they have Nukes, so he didn't bother starting a pointless conflict there.
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If Iran gets Nukes the Houthis will soon after. And Hezbollah too. Expect it to be used on Israel, Iraq and Saudi and other Allies in the area.
 
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