chuckbert
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
You haven’t read much about the start of WWII have you?
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Level: Paul Moody
A high brow contribution to the discussion from our most intellectual member.
Indeed I don't say I'm a massive fan just don't think he is as poor articulator as the other 2.
So this isnt being covered much but our beloved European neighbours appear to be funding Russia with 3x the cost of aid sent to Ukraine. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxk454kxz8o you literally couldnt make it up. Except this doesn't fit with the anti Trump narrative the blinkered on here and in the media wish to believe in. How much Russian gas and oil does America buy? virtually none is the answer. The European sanctions are a joke tokeny at best. Perhaps various posters moaning at Trump over Ukraine would be better off taking aim across the channel rather than the Atlantic.
- Year of First Game
- 1980
You can be critical of both Trump and Europe you know, it's not one or the other.
There is defening silence on one and very much aimed at the other. You cannot seriously state there is proportionate criticism of European leaders compared to Trump on here and in the wider media.
- Year of First Game
- 1980
Trump is being criticised on way more than the single issue of Ukraine. And claiming 'deafening silence' whilst linking directly to a BBC article on what you are saying is hardly being reported (I heard the same reports on the radio this morning as well) sort of negates your point as you make it.
The EU gets a free ride on here and in general amongst the middle classes.
It's because it's much more faceless than Donald Trump. Hard to be as angry at a load of dullards in Brussels wearing ill fitting suits.
Scotchegg
Level: James Constable
(280 Apps, 106 Gls)
Not that hard for some who didn't stop talking about it for years on all the Brexit threads. Strange that the thread entitled "Donald Trump" mentions him more than Europe too!
Both the EU and Donald Trump are obnoxious. But the EU manages to hide it's obnoxiousness so much better than trump.
EU officials have made claims that Britain "belongs" to the EU. A lot of their rhetoric is positively Trumpian and yet all too often they get away with it.
At least Trump was elected democratically. An alien concept to the EU!
tim lane
Level: Jack Midson
(68 Apps, 15 Gls)
I can't resist replying to this, not least because I think it disingenuous to compare a 27 Member State EU with one man. I'm certainly no apologist for the EU, but: -
- are you suggesting that the EU's claims about the UK are in any way couched in similar vein to Trump's about Canada, Greenland, the Panama Canal, Gaza? Which EU rhetoric could be considered positively Trumpian?
- yes, Trump was elected democratically in 2016 and 2024, but how about his continuing election denial from 2020? Hardly democratic, I would say. Can you clarify what you mean, when you say that democracy is an alien concept to the EU?
chuckbert
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
Oh do behave. Give us some concrete examples of positively Trumpian EU rhetoric.
I did. In the first sentence of the post you quoted!
tim lane
Level: Jack Midson
(68 Apps, 15 Gls)
Come on, Lodox, you can’t get away with that ‘lazy’ response. The EU’s view on UK membership doesn’t in any way compare with Trump’s imperialist style rhetoric, as I posited in my first bullet point response to your previous contribution.
chuckbert
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
You didn’t. I googled that sentence and got nothing.
tim lane
Level: Jack Midson
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Londox, for goodness sake, that article is ten years old and simply a reflection of Germany’s and the wider EU’s view of the importance of the UK in helping to maintain Western Europe’s economic and security well being at that time. In no way does a piece from a decade ago - Trumpian style, as you describe it - reflect the rhetoric we hear from Trump. Here in 2025; I once again give you Canada, Greenland, the Panama Canal and the terrified inhabitants of Gaza. Come on Londox, there is absolutely no comparison between the EU and Trump, certainly if you’re talking ‘obnoxious’.
chuckbert
Level: Paul Moody
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That’s as “trumpian” as the British prime minister saying, before the Indy referendum, that Scotland should remain in the union because it belongs in the UK. I.e. not at all.
But the UK is a country not a political bloc. It's more akin to saying Scotland "belongs" to Westminster.
- Year of First Game
- 1980
I think you need to rethink that statement
You know what I mean though. The UK was formed in the early 1700s from a group of nations.I think you need to rethink that statement
The "European Union" was only formed in those terms in the early 1990s and the EEC just after the WW2.
The EU might act like it's a country but it isn't. The EU is purely political. Nation states are about more than just politics.
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chuckbert
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
So the UK was a member of a group and another member of the group said that they should stay in that group because they belong. And you think that’s positively trumpian rhetoric?
If trump had said “Canada belongs in NAFTA”, no one would be commenting …
chuckbert
Level: Paul Moody
(197 Apps, 75 Gls)
Great speech from DJT today. Apparently Biden “wasn’t the sharpest bulb”. Lol.
The highest totals were in 2022 and have broadly fallen since.
bazzer9461
Level: Joey Beauchamp
(428 Apps, 79 Gls)
- Year of First Game
- 1968
With a record crossing of migrants last week
And a third up on last year YTD.
Marked Ox
Level: Mickey Lewis
(351 Apps, 7 Gls)
What was the weather like at the equivalent time last year?
Trump is (and I can't work out if it's intentional or not) hilarious.