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bazzer9461 said:
Trump wanting the Ukraine to cede parts of the Ukraine for peace? WTF Trump should give new a Mexico and Texas back to Mexico….but he won’t so why should Zelensky and the Ukraine give into that tw@ta demands for peace.
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He doesn't because he has the firepower to ensure it doesn't get passed back. Ukraine doesn't and neither does Europe they rely on the US who no longer wants to pay the bill.
 
Trump doesn't care about how it ends, he just wants "peace" so he can get another Time cover and the Nobel Peace Prize he craves.
If his administration was serious it wouldn't send a property salesman with no diplomatic experience, nor knowledge of Russia/Ukraine to lead the "negotiations".
 
Matty Greens Left Boot said:
He doesn't because he has the firepower to ensure it doesn't get passed back. Ukraine doesn't and neither does Europe they rely on the US who no longer wants to pay the bill.
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But why the fcuk should that tw@t tell another country to cede land?
 
Scotchegg said:
Trump is a joke and has surrounded himself with idiots. It will all start falling down very soon.
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Perhaps it will. Hegseth certainly seems less than competent. Currently Trump is implementing what the US electorate voted for. I'm not seeing any massive policy difference than before the election. I must admit it is odd for a politician to try and implement their policies after winning no matter how bonkers/radical they are.
 
bazzer9461 said:
But why the fcuk should that tw@t tell another country to cede land?
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Practicalities of life I suppose. I don't like Putin but getting him to hand land back would be difficult. And the US no longer wants to pay (This was a key point in Trumps election campaign). Europe can however but can't get a united front and also doesn't have the infrastructure of their own choosing to do so. I would be happy to pay (by either cutting public services or increasing basic income tax but no borrowing) if European nations also contributed equally but unfortunately they won't.
 
QR said:
You're just a fascist apologist.

Watch this...

What They Found: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0029tzn via @bbciplayer
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Documentary with much previously unseen footage .
Would recommend it be shown to all over 18’s.
We should never forget nor allow such actions to be swept under the carpet , before any action is taken .
But, not sure it has direct relevance to the current games the USA is playing regarding the Russia/Uktaine war .
 
Matty Greens Left Boot said:
Practicalities of life I suppose. I don't like Putin but getting him to hand land back would be difficult.
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I thought that Trump would get this done in 24hrs. The Art of the Deal. This man can achieve anything.

But now it's all a bit too difficult.

Maybe he's not up to the job after all.
 
There is also little international consensus on isolating Russia. Many countries are simply circumventing sanctions https://www.investigate-europe.eu/p...sanctions-aircraft-parts-india-intermediaries . others are more blazen in their support (See china that you all wer so excited to see stand up to the US https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/04/24/beijing-fuelling-putin-war-kyiv-diplomacy/ )


Look at even this interesting article in Al Jazeera https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...very-country-stands-on-the-russia-ukraine-war and consider the size of population that refused to endorse the US led position.

I say again Putin needs stopping from a European perspective that has always been my position. But don't believe India, Pakistan China or great chunks of Africa share the same concerns. They don't they are pragmatic and will do what's right for them. That makes it difficult to take back Ukrainian territory without a massive military spend from the West. which i'm not sure the population when either forced to put their hand in their pocket or accept poorer public services will be happy to pay. (Again I am i am on record of wanting 6% defence spending)
 
Scotchegg said:
I thought that Trump would get this done in 24hrs. The Art of the Deal. This man can achieve anything.

But now it's all a bit too difficult.

Maybe he's not up to the job after all.
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Again perhaps he isn't but like Keir he has a mandate now (and arguably a bigger one as he won a larger percentage of the vote and actually much larger as we vote for parties in general elections presidential elections are on the person) to try to get a deal that saves the US taxpayer money.
 
Scotchegg said:
I thought that Trump would get this done in 24hrs. The Art of the Deal. This man can achieve anything.

But now it's all a bit too difficult.

Maybe he's not up to the job after all.
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Maybe??
:ROFLMAO:
Don't worry, anyone who takes against Trump will surely be accused of Trump Derangement Syndrome. . . oh the irony!

AS for Trump delivering what the US voted for, I guess that's "Boris delivering the Brexit that people voted for" levels of delusion. And just in the same way, Trump will turn out to be a total clusterfuck . . .plenty of evidence to suggest that's exactly they way it's going already. He has no interest in saving the taxpayer money, or if he has, he does not have the first plausible clue as to how to make it happen, and using blunt 19th century economic instruments to try and force it whilst labouring under the misapprehension that the US are still the world rule makers, just underlines the point. But hey, as long as a few mates can get away with insider trading as a result and get rich in the process . .. who cares . . . right?
 
Marston Road yellow said:
How many ways can we all acknowledge ( Apart from @West) that trump is a self interested economy crashing narcissist who cares about 3 things.
Himself
His ratings
Money

I’d be interested ( serious question) to ask any reform voters if they think Nigel Farage's reputation has been affected by his association with trump?
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www.mylondon.news

Reform could win most seats if election held now, poll suggests

The poll suggests Labour could lose nearly 250 MPs
www.mylondon.news www.mylondon.news

Strongly suggests not. Largest number of mps if vite held today.
 
LowerSouth said:
Documentary with much previously unseen footage .
Would recommend it be shown to all over 18’s.
We should never forget nor allow such actions to be swept under the carpet , before any action is taken .
But, not sure it has direct relevance to the current games the USA is playing regarding the Russia/Uktaine war .
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The direct relevance to the current leadership in the USA comes at the end when the photographer relates his sudden realization that Nazis were not a German thing at a particular point in history but people who always live amongst us wherever and whenever we live.
 
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There is talk that Crimea remains in Russian hands but is not "legally" recognised as part of Russia and negotiations on stopping the war carry on with Crimea being resolved a long way down the road.

Basically wait for Putin or Trump (or both) to die..................... 🤷‍♂️
 
Historically mid term the government is unpopular. It’s the tories that should be bricking themselves. They can’t go all trumpian because that would be suicidal, they can’t be reform lite because there isn’t a space they’ve lost the centre to both liberals and Labour.

I fear we may go reform next election but that does depend on what happens in the next four years.
 
Marston Road yellow said:
Historically mid term the government is unpopular. It’s the tories that should be bricking themselves. They can’t go all trumpian because that would be suicidal, they can’t be reform lite because there isn’t a space they’ve lost the centre to both liberals and Labour.

I fear we may go reform next election but that does depend on what happens in the next four years.
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They haven`t got that far yet ........... but are streets ahead in unpopularity. :)
 
Essexyellows said:
They haven`t got that far yet ........... but are streets ahead in unpopularity. :)
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Trouble is so is your leader. No way she makes it to an election, bizarre choice, haemorrhaging votes to Reform at the last election and straight after appointed someone so they didn’t appear racist to try and win votes from the Lib Dem’s voters they were never going to get, a party that seem to make decisions that are a couple of years out of date.

Hard to predict how the next election will go until we know who the Tory leader will be and whether can do deal with Reform though.
 
Marston Road yellow said:
Historically mid term the government is unpopular. It’s the tories that should be bricking themselves. They can’t go all trumpian because that would be suicidal, they can’t be reform lite because there isn’t a space they’ve lost the centre to both liberals and Labour.

I fear we may go reform next election but that does depend on what happens in the next four years.
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Only 10 months in…..

Labour not exactly making any inroads to making a difference and Conservatives completely anonymous.

You may well be right. Something drastic needs to happen to win over a completely frustrated and demoralised electorate.
 
The land has already been given up. Russia Illegally annexed Crimea in 2014 in that time nobody had lifted a finger not one shot fired no attempts made to retake it infact the delightful Europeans (who many on this thread have been co complimentary about) went balls deep into Russian energy building Nordstream 2. I would have much more sympathy if any of our European partners had decided to fund retaking it but of course they didnt. Best to rely on the Americans to organise pay for everything.
 
Matty Greens Left Boot said:
The land has already been given up. Russia Illegally annexed Crimea in 2014 in that time nobody had lifted a finger not one shot fired no attempts made to retake it infact the delightful Europeans (who many on this thread have been co complimentary about) went balls deep into Russian energy building Nordstream 2. I would have much more sympathy if any of our European partners had decided to fund retaking it but of course they didnt. Best to rely on the Americans to organise pay for everything.
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No, it really hasn't. It was invaded and occupied by an aggressive sovereign state. The fact that the world stood by and allowed it to happen, I will agree with you on in that it was wrong. I'll also agree that Europe tying itself into an almost limitless supply of cheap energy from Russia was also wrong - it was lazy and short-sighted and the risk it would end up this way was always high with an upredicatble pathological liar like Putin on the gas taps. But as the saying goes, two (or several) wrongs don't make a right.

Crimea belongs to Russia no more than Canada or Greenland belong to the US.

The fact that Trump is giving Putin practically everything he wants is abhorrent, but not surprising as all Trump cares about are those beautiful rare earths. What makes it even more sickening is the fact that Trump continues to allow Russia to keep Ukraine on it's knees as a way of weakening their negotiating position so that he can maximise the benefit for the US a the expense of just about everyone else.

I know you struggle to deal with the human emotion of such situations and see it simply as a transactional bit of business - you've said as much in previous posts (which explains why you're so pro MAGA, even if you profess to dislike Trump as a person), so there's not really any point in trying to get you to at least acknowledge what a terrible situation this is and it is one that Trump is happy to perpetuate for his own ends regardless of the terrible human sacrifice that continues to be made every day.
 
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