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Blasphemy laws were repealed in England and Wales in 2008 and Scotland in 2021. Why would they suddenly be reintroduced?
 
It's my opinion, we live in an authoritarian, two-tier state, where free-speech will be increasingly diluted. And I think blasphemy laws will be here by 2030.

We aren't truly authoritarian like they are in say, Iran or Saudi Arabia, but we are going in an increasingly authoritarian direction as the left in government try and close down any opposition to their worldview.

It's a forum of opinions and that's mine, not asking you to believe it. Many people would agree with me, maybe even some posters on here.
No, that's all good @Wandering Yellow and I (genuinely) welcome your opinion here as it's interesting. But I dont think whether a country is authoritarian or not can be a matter of opinion. It either is or it isn't. The fact we have an independent judiciary and independent media isn't an opinion, it's factually correct. I actually think other groups are guilty of trying to censor one another rather than the Government.

All of that said, it's no bad thing to keep an eye open for Government overreach especially with what's going on in the US.
 
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Blasphemy laws were repealed in England and Wales in 2008 and Scotland in 2021. Why would they suddenly be reintroduced?
Apparently the last successful Blasphemy conviction in the UK was in 1977, according to the fountain of all knowledge. (erm, Wikipedia).
 
There is no justice that can make anything for the poor families feel any better after having your kids killed in cold blood while terrified beyond there wits.
Shoot the bastard quietly out of the way and save the bloody thousands of pounds that this trial will cost .
Not to mention the millions it will cost to keep him inside until the end of his days once imprisoned at the expense of the taxpayer.
 
I would definitely not call you or anyone on here far right. This is just a place to debate and discuss.

@Essexyellows is a classic example of someone who I disagree with a lot but also like very much and enjoy his posts. It is very possible (and actually a very good thing) to disagree and still like someone.

I think you are perhaps guilty of over thinking. Lots of people here might disagree with you (just as you and others disagree with @Scotchegg ). That's fine. But no one has called you a racist, a bigot, a fascist etc.

I guess what I am trying to say is that it's okay to disagree, that there is no evidence that Governments are manipulating everything and that hopefully people who commit violent crimes face justice (which they do).
Well not you personally Eric but you're a totally normal centrist-dad type (I hope you don't take that as an offensive thing, I just imagine you that way!) But I have been called a racist on here before, although it was deleted to be fair.

On blasphemy laws I was referencing this bill in Scotland https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/scotlands-new-hate-crime-act-is-fraught-with-danger/

What I'm worried about happening is it becoming illegal to criticise or mock a particular religion or believe in things like biological sex. Most people who create these bills and are in courts and government and their policies and actions will reflect their cosy middle class lifestyles which are far removed from those of us who live in dangerous areas.

I am very concerned the broad brush term "hate crime" will be used as a trojan horse to get de facto blasphemy laws in through the back door.

I see what's happening in America where "Trump is literally Hitler" has become a mainstream opinion, despite the fact nearly half of Americans agree with him. I feel like many on the left (further left than you are) want to use words to close down debates which HAVE to happen.

I'm not a supporter of Tommy Robinson for example, but I think many people can see he is trying to highlight a problem that the mainstream media and government, are either too scared or unwilling to talk about.

When I see horrendously short sentences or no judicial sentence for people committing violent crime, and crimes the nature of Huw Edwards which I don't want to into, it sickens me.
 

800 years of painstaking judicial development in this great country of ours @Essexyellows , and you want to reduce it down to "if it swims like a fish..."

The justice system in this country is very nuanced and complex but also very highly regarded globally. I'm pretty sure that this murderous fanatic (of what ever persuasion) will get what's coming. I suspect both the Tory leadership candidates who are making hay out of this are doing so to play to their base and win votes. In doing so they are proving their unsuitability for the job.
Tosh.
 
Well not you personally Eric but you're a totally normal centrist-dad type (I hope you don't take that as an offensive thing, I just imagine you that way!) But I have been called a racist on here before, although it was deleted to be fair.

On blasphemy laws I was referencing this bill in Scotland https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/scotlands-new-hate-crime-act-is-fraught-with-danger/

What I'm worried about happening is it becoming illegal to criticise or mock a particular religion or believe in things like biological sex. Most people who create these bills and are in courts and government and their policies and actions will reflect their cosy middle class lifestyles which are far removed from those of us who live in dangerous areas.

I am very concerned the broad brush term "hate crime" will be used as a trojan horse to get de facto blasphemy laws in through the back door.

I see what's happening in America where "Trump is literally Hitler" has become a mainstream opinion, despite the fact nearly half of Americans agree with him. I feel like many on the left (further left than you are) want to use words to close down debates which HAVE to happen.

I'm not a supporter of Tommy Robinson for example, but I think many people can see he is trying to highlight a problem that the mainstream media and government, are either too scared or unwilling to talk about.

When I see horrendously short sentences or no judicial sentence for people committing violent crime, and crimes the nature of Huw Edwards which I don't want to into, it sickens me.
You're not the first one to call me centrist dad to be honest.

I reckon most people would agree with you that restrictions (legal or societal pressure) on debate is bad but some guardrails needed on slander, incitement to violence etc.

As I always maintain. I reckon there is more that we all agree with than disagree with.
 
I see what's happening in America where "Trump is literally Hitler" has become a mainstream opinion, despite the fact nearly half of Americans agree with him.
52% Germans agreed with Hitler by 1938. Doesn't stop him being a fascist.
 
That the news was released the day before the biggest Budget for years. That’s what stinks.

When did Starmer et al know about this new information?

The police should not sit on the new charges at the behest of the political news cycle.

The people should be informed directly as well. We pay their wages.
 
Why do that when i can throw a tantrum and say the two tier state is against me based on nothing but my own hurt feelings?
Several left leaning posters on here have loads to say based on little but their own feelings and it doesn't bother you at all.

There is evidence to support my argument. You just wouldn't accept it.

Hope that helps. Are you sure you don't want to start name-calling on me again to make yourself feel big?
 
Several left leaning posters on here have loads to say based on little but their own feelings and it doesn't bother you at all.

There is evidence to support my argument. You just wouldn't accept it.

Hope that helps. Are you sure you don't want to start name-calling on me again to make yourself feel big?
If you have evidence but refuse to bring it then it is wise for everyone else to assume that evidence is tosh.

I don't know what youre talking about or who you are but I can see how you could easily be someone who gets reactions to his own behaviour then calls it name calling and has a bit of a huff
 
Trump is not a fascist.
But his former Chief of Staff, John Kelly, thinks he is. https://www.ft.com/content/bf783ca6-ba1b-42a0-b4fb-61bd2dadece4

John Kelly is a four-star US General and hugely respected. He is a conservative and not known for shooting his mouth off. He knows Trump better than either of us. Trump has threatened to attack his enemies in the press, politics and judiciary. He disputed a democratic election and he wanted a register of muslims in the US.

To apply the @Essexyellows standard of proof, "if it looks like a fish, swims like a fish etc etc"
 
But his former Chief of Staff, John Kelly, thinks he is. https://www.ft.com/content/bf783ca6-ba1b-42a0-b4fb-61bd2dadece4

John Kelly is a four-star US General and hugely respected. He is a conservative and not known for shooting his mouth off. He knows Trump better than either of us. Trump has threatened to attack his enemies in the press, politics and judiciary. He disputed a democratic election and he wanted a register of muslims in the US.

To apply the @Essexyellows standard of proof, "if it looks like a fish, swims like a fish etc etc"
I think most people in this country dont have a great internal definition of what fascist is. I wonder if too many of us just think it is a synonym for nazi. Which means then that saying someone who advocates off-the-shelf fascist points of view gets read as "just calling someone a nazi"
 
I think most people in this country dont have a great internal definition of what fascist is. I wonder if too many of us just think it is a synonym for nazi. Which means then that saying someone who advocates off-the-shelf fascist points of view gets read as "just calling someone a nazi"
Your first sentence is very true because left wing folk love to throw around the term fascism like it's going out of fashion to describe anyone and anything they disagree with.

When I think of fascism I think primarily of Mussolini and Italy. Nazism was a particular form of fascism stemming from an extreme national socialist (aren't they the good guys?) ideology.

If Kamala loses and her supporters go crazy and burn cities down are they also fascists?

Trump will be democratically elected and after his term there will be another democratic election just like last time. If he is a fascist he's not a very good one.
 
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