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Ex-Player Thread Dane Scarlett

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Dane Scarlett 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Signed: 12th August 2024 (On Loan)
Departed: 20th January 2025

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werthersoriginal said:
He’s a young player who’s had a few minutes, we can’t form any picture of him yet. It’s only because he’s from a top team that people are scrutinising him so closely.
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Yes, that's very true. But I also think that if he was (say) an Academy player breaking through, a lot of the comments would be the same. He just isn't putting in a shift. It's pretty basic stuff.
 
Joey said:
While he wasn't great today he was fine and contributed a couple of decent bits. It does seem plenty of people have made their minds up on him already, there's an absolute clown who sits near me berating him for not charging after their keeper like a madman. No chance of winning the ball and would have taken himself out the game completely but to some people visible effort, no matter how futile, is more important than common sense. Mackie used to do it a lot and get a decent reception for it despite the fact he never got a sniff of the ball and then spent 20 seconds offside so if we won it he wasn't an option, it was pathetic.

We've not seen a huge amount from him and it's too early to say either way how it'll go. I'm yet to be convinced but it does also seem people are going out of their way to find fault in what he does rather than judging objectively.
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Mark Harris stood off the Bolton centre back and keeper for 90 minutes at Wembley and we won it comfortably.

It's amazing that people still think a striker should chase every lost cause, especially at a level where the opposition are good enough to play round it.
 
Osei Yaw said:
Mark Harris stood off the Bolton centre back and keeper for 90 minutes at Wembley and we won it comfortably.

It's amazing that people still think a striker should chase every lost cause, especially at a level where the opposition are good enough to play round it.
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He shouldn't chase down lost causes. That's what Jamie Mackie did. But what he should be doing is press the opposition. And that's what he's not done in his appearances so far. Very early days, but so far he's been really disappointing.
 
The lads around me who were bemoaning him for not blindly chasing down their goalie know so little about tactics.

They were the same football brains who were slagging off Kioso after two games (and were shouting at Beadle after one home game for not constantly hoofing it).

They spend most of the game shouting out the Premier League scores and talking about their bets so I’m surprised they even notice there’s a game on to be honest.
 
MJB said:
The lads around me who were bemoaning him for not blindly chasing down their goalie know so little about tactics.

They were the same football brains who were slagging off Kioso after two games (and were shouting at Beadle after one home game for not constantly hoofing it).

They spend most of the game shouting out the Premier League scores and talking about their bets so I’m surprised they even notice there’s a game on to be honest.
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The Premier League and betting - two of the worst aspects of modern football
 
Agree generally with the comments that it's too early to judge him, but he absolutely should have chased that ball into the corner that their keeper cleared. Harris would have been all over it - a bouncing ball outside of the penalty area that their keeper would have struggled to clear comfortably if under pressure.

If Harris was on he would have chased it and who knows, we may have won a throw in in their half at a crucial time.

Clearly there is a time and a place to press in this league, but that was not lost cause!
 
OnlyOneUnited said:
Agree generally with the comments that it's too early to judge him, but he absolutely should have chased that ball into the corner that their keeper cleared. Harris would have been all over it - a bouncing ball outside of the penalty area that their keeper would have struggled to clear comfortably if under pressure.

If Harris was on he would have chased it and who knows, we may have won a throw in in their half at a crucial time.

Clearly there is a time and a place to press in this league, but that was not lost cause!
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No Harris would not have done it. Not in the last few minutes of a game where for all their domination our opponents created very little.

Sorry but if he presses alone they get an easy ball out and attack down the middle with him not patrolling the half way line. Suddenly those two wingers are inside the full back and we lose 1-0 by not following the plan. He drops off and they have to pass round him. He has run the clock down another 10 seconds. Job done.

Days like today will determine whether we stay in this division or not. I have been saying we are not going to be pretty to watch at times. Please don't berate a player for following the manager's tactics.
 
My point is that if he presses then they definitely don't get an easy ball out. The ball was bouncing towards the corner and the goalie had committed himself out of his area.

Best case scenario for Burnley there is that the goalie can hoof clear on his left foot, or play an incredibly risky pass back across the area first time on the bounce.

As it is Scarlett let him have the ball and he then passed the ball out easily with Scarlett jogging half heartedly back and not affecting the game whatsoever.

A feature of Des' tactics have indeed been pressing only at the right time, but when that time presents itself, going commitedly into the press. I suppose neither of us will ever know if he would have liked Scarlett to chase that ball or not, but I know that I would have liked him to!
 
It's great to see the same posters coating off Scarlett again.

I was lucky enough to speak with Des after the game, and he was really impressed with the wat that Dane stuck to the game plan of pressing when it was needed and holding position to restrict the ball being easily passed around us when necessary.

Anyone who say the game, and by some of these posts I wonder if some did, would have seen a very competent Burnley team who moved the ball quickly across their back line and into midfield. Had Scarlett, Goodrham, Harris or others gone tearing after the ball we would have had one less player to deal with the ball in the middle of the pitch when it would have been far more dangerous.

Instead we saw a very disciplined performance from out entire front line, including Scarlett. The fact that no one has posted on Harris or Goodrham's threads about these issues when they did exactly the same thing shows that these are personal and unnecessary digs that are as pathetic today as they were against Coventry a month ago.
 
Scotchegg said:
It's great to see the same posters coating off Scarlett again.

I was lucky enough to speak with Des after the game, and he was really impressed with the wat that Dane stuck to the game plan of pressing when it was needed and holding position to restrict the ball being easily passed around us when necessary.

Anyone who say the game, and by some of these posts I wonder if some did, would have seen a very competent Burnley team who moved the ball quickly across their back line and into midfield. Had Scarlett, Goodrham, Harris or others gone tearing after the ball we would have had one less player to deal with the ball in the middle of the pitch when it would have been far more dangerous.

Instead we saw a very disciplined performance from out entire front line, including Scarlett. The fact that no one has posted on Harris or Goodrham's threads about these issues when they did exactly the same thing shows that these are personal and unnecessary digs that are as pathetic today as they were against Coventry a month ago.
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I agree with this. Slating Scarlett is pathetic. Having kept our shape so brilliantly for the best part of the game the last thing we needed was some headless chicken entering the field of play and chasing down meaninglessly. Harris’ natural game is to harry and chase, that’s what he does - winning or losing. Tyler too, although both are intelligent enough footballers to adapt their natural games, as they did at times yesterday. Scarlett isn’t that player and it looked pretty clear to me that he was playing yesterday to some very specific instructions from Des.
 
It was pretty clear throughout that game that Harris’ job, like against Bolton in the playoff final, was to screen the ball going easily from defenders into the defensive midfielder. It wasn’t to stop the keeper having a simple pass out to a centre back. Had Scarlett chased that ball, against a keeper with above average technical ability, if he finds a way to play to that defender we then don’t have that screen in midfield.

So whilst as fans we love seeing people charging around and associate it as some kind of devotion to the badge, in my opinion he showed a lot of discipline by not getting sucked into that.
 
Berliner said:
I...don't get this lad. At all.
Yes, he only got a few minutes in a tight game that we were battling for a point. However...

He can't, or won't run.
He can't, or won't chase down.
He can't, or won't track back.
He can't, or won't harry for possession.

What he can do is run the wrong lines and, when not in possession, stand with a body posture that makes it look like he's soiled himself.

How on earth this lad is the captain of the England U-20 I will never know.

Needs massive improvement, and sharpish.
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Lets just get off this lads back for a while eh?

Have we learned nothing from past criticism of players.

Maybe he will not work out, maybe he will. It's way too early to tell either way.
 
Perhaps it’s where I sit in the North Stand, but I didn’t hear all this criticism of Scarlett. Yes there was the occasional grumble, but all players get it.

I was surprised listening to RadOx on the way home and Jerome making such a big issue of it and continued to do so throughout a large part of IWATG. It seems to have overflowed onto this forum.
 
Berliner said:
I...don't get this lad. At all.
Yes, he only got a few minutes in a tight game that we were battling for a point. However...

He can't, or won't run.
He can't, or won't chase down.
He can't, or won't track back.
He can't, or won't harry for possession.

What he can do is run the wrong lines and, when not in possession, stand with a body posture that makes it look like he's soiled himself.

How on earth this lad is the captain of the England U-20 I will never know.

Needs massive improvement, and sharpish.
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Fvck.ing.hell!
 
Village-Yellow said:
Lets just get off this lads back for a while eh?

Have we learned nothing from past criticism of players.

Maybe he will not work out, maybe he will. It's way too early to tell either way.
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If a young loan player who comes on as a substitute late in the game is the biggest criticism of the team/squad, we seem to be in a good place
 
I thought Dane put himself about well when he came on. He seemed a bit unhappy about something after the game though? I thought I saw Ruben having a bit of a word with him and then put his arm round him.
 
yellowbow said:
I thought Dane put himself about well when he came on. He seemed a bit unhappy about something after the game though? I thought I saw Ruben having a bit of a word with him and then put his arm round him.
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It looked like TG shoved him in the chest and then had words then when RR came on the pitch after the final whistle he did the same, DS didn’t look happy about it but then RR put his arm round him walking off.
 
Put himself about again today, as he did on Saturday. Didn't have much joy but also all Harris has contributed for the last 3 games is missing an open goal and giving away a pen against Bristol City (not a dig, he's been excellent but he shouldn't get a complete pass because of what he's done in the past).

I still don't see much goal threat from him mind but he battles and linked a few bits up nicely. Hopefully people give him a fair crack after he seemed to be written off after 1 game (see also Kioso).
 
Cass63 said:
It looked like TG shoved him in the chest and then had words then when RR came on the pitch after the final whistle he did the same, DS didn’t look happy about it but then RR put his arm round him walking off.
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What kind of shove?
 
Cass63 said:
It looked like TG shoved him in the chest and then had words then when RR came on the pitch after the final whistle he did the same, DS didn’t look happy about it but then RR put his arm round him walking off.
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I think I recall a moment approaching the 90 minutes where Tyler was bursting forward, and Dane was kind of in the way. Tyler had to slow up, and Dane nicked the ball away to continue the run forwards.

He looked more positive when coming on this game, where the momentum was definitely with us and the onus was on him to be positive and drive the team forwards, rather than be disciplined in the press.
 
Think he'll be fired up for Saturday given his disappointing loan spell at Pompey and some of the flack he has received from their fans.

I would bring him on slightly earlier if Sparky isn't on top form
 
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