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So who's at fault? The students for not following the rules or the government for not anticipating that students would party if they allowed them to return to university? If the partying wasn't inevitable it's the students, if it was it's the government. So was it inevitable?

Ask your self some simple questions to establish who is at fault...it should only take 2 questions.
1. Who made the rules? The Government. ✅
2. Who broke the rules? The students. ✅

Unless they were living in a cave then it was fairly obvious that going to University this year was going to be very different.
Therefore, being the supposedly intelligent folk they are, check the rules, understand their responsibility to society, and abide by said rules.

Of course the apologists will blame everyone except the stupid, entitled students. :)
 
Ask your self some simple questions to establish who is at fault...it should only take 2 questions.
1. Who made the rules? The Government. ✅
2. Who broke the rules? The students. ✅

Unless they were living in a cave then it was fairly obvious that going to University this year was going to be very different.
Therefore, being the supposedly intelligent folk they are, check the rules, understand their responsibility to society, and abide by said rules.

Of course the apologists will blame everyone except the stupid, entitled students. :)

I agree some students have been selfish idiots bringing the lockdown on all of them. Including those who write letters to the Oxford Mail or make similar responses in the comments sections defending such behaviour.

I do question why the Govt had the majority of students come in person to University when they could have started learning online as it was obvious what was going to happen and this was said at the time,. Some students have to do face to face work such as medical and science students where clinical/lab work so them coming in makes sense. I get Universities wanted students in as it means they get accommodation money etc but I don't get the keenness from the Govt.
 
I agree some students have been selfish idiots bringing the lockdown on all of them. Including those who write letters to the Oxford Mail or make similar responses in the comments sections defending such behaviour.

I do question why the Govt had the majority of students come in person to University when they could have started learning online as it was obvious what was going to happen and this was said at the time,. Some students have to do face to face work such as medical and science students where clinical/lab work so them coming in makes sense. I get Universities wanted students in as it means they get accommodation money etc but I don't get the keenness from the Govt.

University is just a job deferral scheme based on something akin to a pyramid scheme these days!
Student gets "loan" from Government.
Student "pays" University, or transfers a debt if you like.
University spends said money/debt/loan.
Government chase student in later life for a bill they probably won`t be able to pay.

Where has the money gone?

The system is built on sand...............
 
I do question why the Govt had the majority of students come in person to University when they could have started learning online as it was obvious what was going to happen and this was said at the time,.
This was a clanger of almost care-home proportions - if not as directly deadly - in that it was clear that there was a massive risk of throwing a lot of people from all over the country into close quarters just as cases were beginning to rise.
Of course, it isnt quite the same having online lessons at home as being in lectures, but it needed to be done this year for any course where it was practical to do so.

Schools going back was different, and I think the decision to plough ahead on that was right, lockdowns or not.
 
This was a clanger of almost care-home proportions - if not as directly deadly - in that it was clear that there was a massive risk of throwing a lot of people from all over the country into close quarters just as cases were beginning to rise.
Of course, it isnt quite the same having online lessons at home as being in lectures, but it needed to be done this year for any course where it was practical to do so.

Schools going back was different, and I think the decision to plough ahead on that was right, lockdowns or not.

I'd agree with that. University students should be able to get on with learning themselves around the core info they are given via online/Zoom materials as Uni is partly supposed to be about self learning.
 
I made the point about universities returning a while back and obviously (quite rightly) some said that they needed to due to economies and industries (cleaners, caterers etc.) that rely on them.

The trouble Is that we’re now in a position where local and national economies are being locked down and subsidised due to the increase in cases surrounding these universities.

I’ve not looked at the number of cases per 100k for Oxfordshire with and without students included but I’d imagine that if you remove student cases then the figure is not too bad. If we end up locking down Oxfordshire due to the return of Brookes and Ox Uni then I really don’t see how that is any better economically then requiring either a phased return of the student population or the return of those students who are studying in roles which require lab (or other) time.

As I’ve said I’d be doing the exact same as most of them up at the White Horse, I did albeit not in a global pandemic. There’s plenty of rules the government make which I’ve perhaps circumnavigated and I would/will accept the consequences.

I still think it comes down to a completely inadequate tracing system that means we constantly have to lock down large areas because we can’t accurately pinpoint cases etc.

I understand what @QR posted about stopping areas like say East Hanney from becoming Oxford but I really don’t think there is or was any danger of that happening. Doris wondering down for a loaf of bread and a Bloody Mary at the Black Horse is not going to be spreading the virus like 6 students from different HMOs who have all been in and out of pubs on a Wednesday evening.
 
Yeah, have to agree with this.

It's a case of personal responsibility.

Were I still young I might well be doing the same thing but that's a different matter!
I think you are saying it was inevitable.
 
I'd agree with that. University students should be able to get on with learning themselves around the core info they are given via online/Zoom materials as Uni is partly supposed to be about self learning.

Not if they have lab work, they can’t
 
Not if they have lab work, they can’t
Or indeed any 'practical' subject that requires specialist equipment .

Letting (well, making if they didn't want to lose their places) students go to the universities was ridiculous. At least schools are all locally based, so not much risk of 'importing' the virus from somewhere else. Universities were absolutely bound to be places where people got infected - even those not being daft are living in shared accommodation with people from all over, in a place away from home - many for the first time. There's going to be another crunch point when we get to Christmas. Are the students going to be locked in their accommodation for weeks without even any online work to do, or are they going to be allowed to go home - thus distributing any infection back around the country?
 
On a earlier post I said those that need face to face teaching (ie. Clinical/Science etc) would still need to go to Uni.

Yup indeed. My son is in his third year at Bristol studying Chemistry. He’s in the lab practically (hah!) every day, plus sharing accommodation. As mentioned earlier, Christmas is going to be interesting. In fact, if Oxford is in Tier 2 by then, I’m not entirely sure he’s actually allowed home. Hmmmmmm.
 
Having had a quick scroll through the Brookes and Oxford course info on their websites I’d suggest up to 80% could be undertaken remotely.

Im not sure if it’s the same now but for some courses contact/lecture time decreases (my final year was 8hrs a week) with the rest being spent in studying and writing dissertation etc. Something that could have been done without sending someone half way across the country.

If I was back at uni now with the same housemates we’d have been heading to West London, North London, Essex, Bournemouth, Cornwall and Oxford this Christmas. Potentially all carrying the virus.
 
I teach on a practical degree course, our students are allocated 1 1/2 days of workshop time a week with no mixing of year groups the rest of teaching happens on line.
The people most at risk in this situation are the staff who spend the whole week with all the groups, and are obviously older and likely to be more at risk than most of the students.
From personal experience students do very little self study these days they are mostly spoon fed everything.
 
Why weren’t the police wearing masks?

1 copper....... outside probably thinking "WTF am I supposed to do?"
Lets ignore all the "yoof" being "smart" and getting filmed.
If they were football fans they would be getting the front door put in.
Twats - entitled twats.

Should CS gas the lot round them up and fine every single one of them.
 
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