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You could argue that for any business receiving support from HMG.
Tell them to use their profits first.
Unfortunately their profits are probably sitting in an offshore tax haven having been shifted through various shell companies.
Unlike Lizzie.

Being head of a sovereign state with it`s own bank & currency means "they" can just shuffle "money" across spreadsheets and spread the pain/risk.
Same as the ECB/EU will do.
Same as the US et al will do.

It`s just an economic re-set because the maths don`t add up and the consumerist/globalist debt scheme has gone wrong. :)

So you're saying the Govt just had to shuffle money across spreadsheets, so austerity and the pain/problems it has caused is just Tories implementing their dogma for no good reason then.
 
You could argue that for any business receiving support from HMG.
Tell them to use their profits first.
I would argue that as well. The furlough scheme has been great at keeping jobs, good use of the public purse. Maintaining profits though? Nope. But then I hear it all the time in our staff meetings, "profits are down, make cuts", forgetting that a smaller profit isn't the same thing as a "loss".
 
I would argue that as well. The furlough scheme has been great at keeping jobs, good use of the public purse. Maintaining profits though? Nope. But then I hear it all the time in our staff meetings, "profits are down, make cuts", forgetting that a smaller profit isn't the same thing as a "loss".
It’s all to save the ego of the chief executive. If we don’t meet the budget we specified he’ll look a t**t, so will cut people’s jobs if it seems like there’s a risk of that happening
 
It’s all to save the ego of the chief executive. If we don’t meet the budget we specified he’ll look a t**t, so will cut people’s jobs if it seems like there’s a risk of that happening
He might look a t**t, but he (or she) is also likely to ride off into the sunset with a massive severance package!

And because it tends to be part of the jobs for the boys and girls club, they will likely re-surface somewhere else in a highly paid consultancy role before too long.

I mean if Chris Grayling can do it, any CEO that hasn't actually killed anyone (and probably some that have) can do it!
 
So you're saying the Govt just had to shuffle money across spreadsheets, so austerity and the pain/problems it has caused is just Tories implementing their dogma for no good reason then.

Did "austerity" really exist or was it the realisation that the sums weren`t adding up?
More "money" circulating than value of the property/goods it was secured against?
The more you look the more farcical money with no real value becomes.
What makes a house bought for £32k in the late 80s/90`s "worth" £400k in 2019? Nothing barring the addition of 000`s on spreadsheets.
What is debt? Just numbers..... nothing tangible.
What do you earn? Just numbers fired into a bank account.

Sorry.... just Friday mitherings!!
 
Did "austerity" really exist or was it the realisation that the sums weren`t adding up?
More "money" circulating than value of the property/goods it was secured against?
The more you look the more farcical money with no real value becomes.
What makes a house bought for £32k in the late 80s/90`s "worth" £400k in 2019? Nothing barring the addition of 000`s on spreadsheets.
What is debt? Just numbers..... nothing tangible.
What do you earn? Just numbers fired into a bank account.

Sorry.... just Friday mitherings!!
1. Yes austerity existed.
2. You really sound like someone who’s on the verge of a communist epiphany, but always resists back to the safety of feudal subservancy :)
 
Did "austerity" really exist or was it the realisation that the sums weren`t adding up?
More "money" circulating than value of the property/goods it was secured against?
The more you look the more farcical money with no real value becomes.
What makes a house bought for £32k in the late 80s/90`s "worth" £400k in 2019? Nothing barring the addition of 000`s on spreadsheets.
What is debt? Just numbers..... nothing tangible.
What do you earn? Just numbers fired into a bank account.

Sorry.... just Friday mitherings!!
Pass it round....that's some good sh!t you're smoking there ? :LOL:
 
Did "austerity" really exist or was it the realisation that the sums weren`t adding up?
More "money" circulating than value of the property/goods it was secured against?
The more you look the more farcical money with no real value becomes.
What makes a house bought for £32k in the late 80s/90`s "worth" £400k in 2019? Nothing barring the addition of 000`s on spreadsheets.
What is debt? Just numbers..... nothing tangible.
What do you earn? Just numbers fired into a bank account.

Sorry.... just Friday mitherings!!

Austerity as a policy definitely existed as it has caused a lot of hardship for a lot of people and a farce of a reform of benefits (and contributing to denigrating of people on benefits). I'm sure the Police, Local Councils, mental health services etc will all say austerity happened considering the large cuts to their budgets over the years etc etc. But as it was just numbers then austerity has to have been done for purely Tory dogma as otherwise they could have just moved numbers around on a spreadsheet.
 
Austerity as a policy definitely existed as it has caused a lot of hardship for a lot of people and a farce of a reform of benefits (and contributing to denigrating of people on benefits). I'm sure the Police, Local Councils, mental health services etc will all say austerity happened considering the large cuts to their budgets over the years etc etc. But as it was just numbers then austerity has to have been done for purely Tory dogma as otherwise they could have just moved numbers around on a spreadsheet.
yep ^^ I agree
 
Local councils are a case in point where they have had GIA from central govt slashed over the last 10+ years (as have countless other Govt Agencies and Arms Length Public Sector Bodies).

Everybody gets all pissy when councils put up their council tax every year, especially when the perception is that services are getting worse, but it does not come close to making up the shortfall and they often have no choice but to cut services, or charge for extra just to maintain stuff as a consequence (garden waste collections anyone?). Local Authorities get it from all sides over the perception that they do not provide value for money/waste tax payers money/are grossly inefficient/part of the lazy, work-shy unionised public sector who are all just a tax burden - doubly so with their generous pensions and T&C's. They are an easy target...as is much of the public sector who are often tarred with the same brush. You also have to factor in the competence (or otherwise) of local councillors and their ability to set the right priorities in the first place.


The real villain in this story is the reduction and continued lack of funding from Central Government...all to make austerity look like it is working, when it has failed the most vulnerable in society.
 
Everybody gets all pissy when councils put up their council tax every year, especially when the perception is that services are getting worse, but it does not come close to making up the shortfall and they often have no choice but to cut services, or charge for extra just to maintain stuff as a consequence.
This is a subject that I get pretty frustrated trying to explain to some on our community Facebook group!

They see their council tax rising and perceive their services are getting worse at the same time. Their conclusion? The local authority are crap. Their perceptions are enhanced because they believe everyone working for the authority is overpaid with corporate Daimlers and massive expense accounts.

Trying to explain about decreased central government funding to local councils falls on deaf ears, perhaps because 75% of voters around here would vote for a donkey with a blue rosette.
 
Local councils are a case in point where they have had GIA from central govt slashed over the last 10+ years (as have countless other Govt Agencies and Arms Length Public Sector Bodies).

Everybody gets all pissy when councils put up their council tax every year, especially when the perception is that services are getting worse, but it does not come close to making up the shortfall and they often have no choice but to cut services, or charge for extra just to maintain stuff as a consequence (garden waste collections anyone?). Local Authorities get it from all sides over the perception that they do not provide value for money/waste tax payers money/are grossly inefficient/part of the lazy, work-shy unionised public sector who are all just a tax burden - doubly so with their generous pensions and T&C's. They are an easy target...as is much of the public sector who are often tarred with the same brush. You also have to factor in the competence (or otherwise) of local councillors and their ability to set the right priorities in the first place.


The real villain in this story is the reduction and continued lack of funding from Central Government...all to make austerity look like it is working, when it has failed the most vulnerable in society.

That is why the Tories did it that way, quite a lot of blame goes towards Councils (including Tory Councils), Police etc which is therefore deflected from them.

It was doubled down really as the Councils, Police etc had very little time to plan for this before it started and have been playing catch up ever since. It wasn't a surprise that Northamptonshire County Council happened and it is likely to happen again as a number were teetering before Coronavirus. I expect Coronavirus will only exacerbate this in coming years.
 
Local councils are a case in point where they have had GIA from central govt slashed over the last 10+ years (as have countless other Govt Agencies and Arms Length Public Sector Bodies).

Everybody gets all pissy when councils put up their council tax every year, especially when the perception is that services are getting worse, but it does not come close to making up the shortfall and they often have no choice but to cut services, or charge for extra just to maintain stuff as a consequence (garden waste collections anyone?). Local Authorities get it from all sides over the perception that they do not provide value for money/waste tax payers money/are grossly inefficient/part of the lazy, work-shy unionised public sector who are all just a tax burden - doubly so with their generous pensions and T&C's. They are an easy target...as is much of the public sector who are often tarred with the same brush. You also have to factor in the competence (or otherwise) of local councillors and their ability to set the right priorities in the first place.


The real villain in this story is the reduction and continued lack of funding from Central Government...all to make austerity look like it is working, when it has failed the most vulnerable in society.
Local government has been hung out to dry for the past ten years. Many tory councillors would agree with this (in private). Look at Northampton CC and judging by its latest emergency budget Cherwell DC isn't far behind. Only reorganisation (i.e abolition) can save it.
 
Local councils are a case in point where they have had GIA from central govt slashed over the last 10+ years (as have countless other Govt Agencies and Arms Length Public Sector Bodies).

Everybody gets all pissy when councils put up their council tax every year, especially when the perception is that services are getting worse, but it does not come close to making up the shortfall and they often have no choice but to cut services, or charge for extra just to maintain stuff as a consequence (garden waste collections anyone?). Local Authorities get it from all sides over the perception that they do not provide value for money/waste tax payers money/are grossly inefficient/part of the lazy, work-shy unionised public sector who are all just a tax burden - doubly so with their generous pensions and T&C's. They are an easy target...as is much of the public sector who are often tarred with the same brush. You also have to factor in the competence (or otherwise) of local councillors and their ability to set the right priorities in the first place.


The real villain in this story is the reduction and continued lack of funding from Central Government...all to make austerity look like it is working, when it has failed the most vulnerable in society.


Local councils just need to grow some cahoona`s and put the council tax up by more than the permitted maximum and see what the people think.
 
Ask Marcus Rashford.

Who has a personal fortune of circa £65 million which is probably managed in a tax efficient manner?

As a recipient of free school meals back in the day there was no expectation of others to feed our family during the summer holidays. You just ate what you were given.
 
Local councils just need to grow some cahoona`s and put the council tax up by more than the permitted maximum and see what the people think.
Yeah that's right, waste c £200k asking people to pay more tax. Any other good ideas while you are at it?
 
Who has a personal fortune of circa £65 million which is probably managed in a tax efficient manner?
It makes his interjections even more laudable then.
As a recipient of free school meals back in the day there was no expectation of others to feed our family during the summer holidays. You just ate what you were given.
Oh, the Priti Patel card. Well done.
 
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